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      How are your SU growouts doing so far?

      I picked up my SU grow out on May 10th, so it's been about a month so far in QT. I let it rest for the first week or so with a buddy, then did a shotgun Proform C and Prazi protocol treatment. This is the first time I've had the QT outside and we had some very cool nights. I am running two large aquarium heaters in it, but on a few nights the water temp dipped below my target of 72 degrees. I had some concerns that I might not catch the life cycle of some parasites. After 7 days, I did a scrape and scope, and sure enough, found a skin fluke very much alive. I also noticed at this time, a small reddish spot that was irritated on it's side an inch behind it's gill. Unfortunately, I didn't have the meds needed to treat that at the same time. I had to recatch, and sedate the fish the next day (yesterday) and I treated it with hydrogen peroxide, betadine solution and denture powder adhesive. I also am retreating the QT with the Proform C and Prazi (Prazi kicker modification) to kill off any parasites the last round didn't get. This time the temps are staying in the 70-75 degree range so I hope to catch the entire parasite life cycle. How are everyone else's SU's doing so far? I am excited to watch this one develop. I know it's had a long journey to get here and I'm not surprised it needs a little extra care at this point. How long are you all going to QT your SU's? Have you administered any meds, scoped?
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      Ours are still doing well. Will be in QT for at least another week before moving on to our growout pond...where they'll remain for the next year.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JoesKoi.com View Post
      Ours are still doing well. Will be in QT for at least another week before moving on to our growout pond...where they'll remain for the next year.
      Do you scrape and scope them? Do you routinely administer any meds in QT?
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      I haven't scraped and scoped yet. I did a prazi treatment the day after they arrived simply because of the funky scale on one of the others. I'm giving the prazi a full 7 days before I do another water change. The SU is looking really good, finally started eating, but I had to use sinking flake food to get him/her to start eating. He/She is very shy but is already putting on some weight.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ponderingkoi View Post
      Do you scrape and scope them? Do you routinely administer any meds in QT?
      Yes, we scaped and scoped them -- took a while too since we purchased quite a few. We also utilized a shotgun approach in QT...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ellie View Post
      I haven't scraped and scoped yet. I did a prazi treatment the day after they arrived simply because of the funky scale on one of the others. I'm giving the prazi a full 7 days before I do another water change. The SU is looking really good, finally started eating, but I had to use sinking flake food to get him/her to start eating. He/She is very shy but is already putting on some weight.
      Mine too! I don't think mine was used to coming up for food for some reason. The SU is in QT with a larger new koi I also got from Sugarbush the same day and that one comes up to the surface to eat, but I don't usually see the little SU eating at the surface....though it comes up and swims around all over next to the big one. I'm hoping the big one doesn't eat all the food before the little guy/gal gets the nerve to eat too. I've put some shrimp pieces in there in case it was more accustomed to sinking pellets. Wonder if I should purchase some sinking pellets. I have a cover over half of the QT so I can't see either of them eating much anyway.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ponderingkoi View Post
      Mine too! I don't think mine was used to coming up for food for some reason. The SU is in QT with a larger new koi I also got from Sugarbush the same day and that one comes up to the surface to eat, but I don't usually see the little SU eating at the surface....though it comes up and swims around all over next to the big one. I'm hoping the big one doesn't eat all the food before the little guy/gal gets the nerve to eat too. I've put some shrimp pieces in there in case it was more accustomed to sinking pellets. Wonder if I should purchase some sinking pellets. I have a cover over half of the QT so I can't see either of them eating much anyway.
      My growout su's and sanke are eating floating pellets with great gusto.
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      Maybe mine is too, just can't see him do it. The big one comes up right away and starts chowing. The SU follows him up but I haven't actually seen him eat a pellet. But maybe he's eating the pellets under the covered part where I can't see him do it. ?? Hmmm....
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      Quote Originally Posted by ponderingkoi View Post
      Maybe mine is too, just can't see him do it. The big one comes up right away and starts chowing. The SU follows him up but I haven't actually seen him eat a pellet. But maybe he's eating the pellets under the covered part where I can't see him do it. ?? Hmmm....
      Could be. Try to spread the pellets out in the water so the slower fish have a chance.
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      No shotgun treatments, no scrape & scope.

      They are in our QT with a few others and are growing like weeds. They are the brave, the strong, the few.. lol

      I will scrape & scope when our pond is completed prior to adding them to a new group. ALL FISH will be scraped & scoped prior to pond entrance to ensure treatment in a smaller body of water.

      Otherwise no problems here. We did slow down on the feeding during the week. Our bio in a single barrel (tons of media in it) has caught up nicely to the additions... gin clear water.
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      I sitll have Mary's with mine. Scraped and scoped them all, nothing showed. They were spooky at first but are getting friendly and close to hand feeding. They are of course still in QT, but are growing fast. When Mary comes to get hers we will bowl and take good pics of them. In my limited experience I would have to say they are very nice fish.


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      Took a few days but they now come up to the net when I walk up. May keep them in there for 2 more weeks. They are heartily eating everything that I put in there. Haven't notice any real gains in size though. I will measure again before placing them in the big pool.
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      Make sure before you take them out of QT you put in a ghost koi for a week or so..I am glad I did because I did have some issues.

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      Quote Originally Posted by vipldy View Post
      Make sure before you take them out of QT you put in a ghost koi for a week or so..I am glad I did because I did have some issues.

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      Can you elaborate Marie? What issues did you have?
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      I was a group shipper so we had 25 in temp quarters in the garage. I did a scrape and didn't find anything. I don't usually shotgun in QT. I guess I trust my scoping ability. Mine are now in the QT and doing fine. I will keep them there quite awhile so they can grow. No sense in putting them in with the big guys and trying to compete for food. This way everyone is happy.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ponderingkoi View Post
      Can you elaborate Marie? What issues did you have?

      Well about 5 days after receiving the SU my ghost herd which I have had for a year started getting sick. Laying on the bottom and clamped. When we netted the fish her slime coat was kinda dry..We did a scrape and scope and found what appeared to be Costia. Then another one of the ghost koi started laying on the bottom and clamped and we netted and scraped again and also the slime coat was a bit dry as well. We hit them hard with Formalin and they seem much better..The SU's never got sick Even though Matt had treated the fish before shipping the costia can lay encysted and live through the treatment and then my fish got sick.

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      I just received them last Friday and both the sanke's and SU are doing great.
      I am feeding them 3 times a day. The 700gallon q tank and easy pod are doing great. I will start the Proform C tomorrow and then the Prazi treatment.

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      Mine have been in main pond for a while, happy and chilling out. Down to my last 3 ziplock bags of Blackwater Gold from the 40 lb bag.

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      My SU and Sanke are doing well and eating aggresively. They've both gained some width--they were skinny when they got here. I am thinking about waiting at minimum another two months before they go from QT to the pond because the weather has not been warm. The pond has been around 68F consistantly both morning and evening.

      The Sanke is very brave, does the kissy-kissy thing when I go out to feed them. The SU gets his share, though. We sure are enjoying the little guys.

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