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    Thread: Understanding the Koi Herpes Virus

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      Quote Originally Posted by savannahrobinson
      I have not had an infection in my fish. But I've read a LOT about it.
      1) Have all the fish had nasty, snotty gills?
      A bacterial gill infection (which I have had and treated) doesn't affect ALL the fish in the pond.
      Gill flukes (which I have had and treated) don't produce that snotty look until very VERY late in the disease.

      2) Have ALL the fish been affected?
      KHV kills 80-90 percent of the fish in a pond. Fast.

      3) Have ALL the fish died very quickly?
      Between onset and death in KHV is 4 to 7 days.
      I'll post my findings in a few days.
      I'm working with a REAL doctor.. Andy Goodwin.
      My buddy lost 1,000 plus koi due to greed and buying chit from China.
      16 days and counting.
      Some of these fish were my very best, sold to him.

      Oh.
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      You know who I beezzzzzzzz.

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      Walt and Lin, I am so sorry you are going through this. thanks for taking the time to educate us about this horrible disease. Hugs to you both.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Da Whip
      I'll post my findings in a few days.
      I'm working with a REAL doctor.. Andy Goodwin.
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      My buddy lost 1,000 plus koi due to greed and buying chit from China
      16 days and counting.
      Some of these fish were my very best, sold to him.

      Oh.
      Legzzzz
      Red or Fred ?
      You know who I beezzzzzzzz.
      i wouldn't buy any fish from China. i don't trust them and i'm chinese.

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      Thank you so much for posting so much info on this disease....it's scary that it mimicks so many other problems. A heartbreaking ordeal for you, but you're educating so many people by sharing your tragedy. Thank you.
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      Walt and Lin,
      Great post. Thanks

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      Amazing pictures. Sorry that you had to experience it but the pictures are a wonderful learning tool for the rest of us. Thanks for being unselfish and sharing.
      My opinions in ER and on this forum are mine only. Use my advice at your own discretion.

      "Our goal is to assist with emergency and Koi health issues, as well as educate on best practices. Please help us gain a clear picture by giving the original poster time to answer our questions before offering opinions and suggested treatments."


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      Hey, I get occassional emails from Doc Johnson - signed up some years ago and just never quit getting them. Got an email from his site the other day saying they may have a "cure". Anyone hear anything about this? I'll try to find the email tonight and copy it here.
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      Why doesnt just everyone not purchase koi until a cure is found? The koi you have now are most likely not infected. Just hold out on koi purchasing for a while, or just purchase from someone that is reputable.

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      Here Sue....

      Dear Graham
      Greetings from Dr. Johnson
      We (at University of Georgia) seem to have stumbled onto a verifiable "cure" for KHV in vitro. I'll have more on that shortly, although I have explained this cure and shown the testing and results in the last four seminars I gave in California, Colorado, and Tennessee. Rather a few of you didn't even know I was in town because your club leadership boycotted the events because I got an Aquascape pond a couple years ago.

      Sometimes, all you have to do is think "unlike" certain leaders-politicos and you're "out"

      My newest pond, the big Mac Daddy of all ponds (for me), is in operation now....

      If'n you're curious, there's a whole website for it, with two picture galleries and all sorts of info on it at a site under development:

      http://www.mynewpond.com

      Check it out. Thanks for your consideration.

      Dr. Johnson
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      Quote Originally Posted by Graham
      Here Sue....
      Dear Graham
      Greetings from Dr. Johnson
      We (at University of Georgia) seem to have stumbled onto a verifiable "cure" for KHV in vitro. I'll have more on that shortly, although I have explained this cure and shown the testing and results in the last four seminars I gave in California, Colorado, and Tennessee. Rather a few of you didn't even know I was in town because your club leadership boycotted the events because I got an Aquascape pond a couple years ago.

      Sometimes, all you have to do is think "unlike" certain leaders-politicos and you're "out"

      My newest pond, the big Mac Daddy of all ponds (for me), is in operation now....

      If'n you're curious, there's a whole website for it, with two picture galleries and all sorts of info on it at a site under development:

      http://www.mynewpond.com

      Check it out. Thanks for your consideration.

      Dr. Johnson
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      Didn't Doc J say the same thing some years ago? Just before he wiped out his whole collection?
      I dunno - from that source, I'd be really skeptical.
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      Quote Originally Posted by lilhelper
      Why doesnt just everyone not purchase koi until a cure is found? The koi you have now are most likely not infected. Just hold out on koi purchasing for a while, or just purchase from someone that is reputable.
      its easier to quit smoking crack then to stop buying koi. Just QT, QT, QT. Nothing else you can do.

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      My Mom was on crack for 4 years!

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      I recieved the same e-mail. I looked further and this is what I found...

      http://koiclass.com/a_khvcure.html

      There is always hope... I hope they can replicate this cure. If so, we can all breath alot easier.

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      If this works and is confirmed, I'll keep my fingers crossed!! I wonder how long it will take before they can say it's a go?
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      Sorry to burst the bubble, but I used to work in a chemotherapy drug discovery lab. In vitro results from a single cell line don't mean much. Many, many drugs and combination therapies that are effective in vitro, don't pan out in whole animals.

      I don't know how the piscine system works, but in mammals, many drugs are unable to cross the blood-brain barrier. One reason chicken pox/shingles is so difficult to eradicate is because the herpes virus hangs out in the nerves.

      I also don't know much about anti-viral drugs, but my understanding is that they are only effective against active viral infections. Unlike a bacteria, virus are not alive. They are DNA or RNA in a protein coat and only replicate inside the host cell.

      Since these studies are using existing anti-viral therapies, it seems like testing the agents directly on infected fish would make much more sense.

      One of my favorite cartoons is a cage of lab rats in party hats celebrating. In the background of the lab you see a newspaper with the headline "Cancer Cured in Lab Rats". Research needs to be taken in context. I think it is a bit premature to be talking about a "cure" for KHV.
      Lynne in St. Louis

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      Just received from Doc Johnson's server email:

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      Gentle Reader
      You may have gotten an email from me heralding the "end" of KHV as we know it. You should understand the reasoning for the email; THEN disregard it.

      One of the problems with "non-researchers" (people like me) having adjacency to studies at Universities is a lack of knowledge. This lack of knowledge occurs in two critical areas:

      1. Proper and accurate interpretation of any results before they are final.
      2. Knowledge of what is confidential or 'sensitive'

      Think about it this way; if you put a two-year-old on a bike without training wheels, and that kid makes it to the other researcher ten feet away without wiping out, you can't say that "two year olds can ride bikes".
      Well, I take that back - if you're overly enthusiastic, like me, you might. Mea culpa.

      The University will not acknowledge or confirm ANY study, result, or activity to you (or anyone else) until said study is "final". Until then, as far as we're concerned, the study does not even exist. So, until further notice, (notification which will come solely from the University itself *IF AT ALL*) - you should be hereby informed that my last email regarding KHV has all the weight and validity of a Unicorn sighting.

      If you contact the University, they will say essentially the same thing, without the "unicorn" sense of humor.

      Those of you who know me from first-hand-exposure know I am enthusiastic about fish health. I wa-a-a-a-aay "jumped the gun" on this one - and I regret the inconvenience it has caused.

      As Spike Cover would gently remind me - try not to be the guy who uses "Ready - Fire - Aim!" - I should listen to that guy much more often.

      Thank you

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      Forever a moron...
      I just dealt with about $250,000 worth of koi, at one of my best friends places, who bought some CHIT.. and got KHV ( confirmed)\
      He has $$$$.. He lost some of the best fish I ever grew, to KHV and GREED.(bahhhhhhhgin)

      Have we forgotten the dMv, author of Da Bookie, attempted to " place" " cured" fish in private homes ?

      I suppose we have..well.. y'all have.

      JR and Steve C.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Da Whip
      Forever a moron...
      I just dealt with about $250,000 worth of koi, at one of my best friends places, who bought some CHIT.. and got KHV ( confirmed)\
      He has $$$$.. He lost some of the best fish I ever grew, to KHV and GREED.(bahhhhhhhgin)

      Have we forgotten the dMv, author of Da Bookie, attempted to " place" " cured" fish in private homes ?

      I suppose we have..well.. y'all have.

      JR and Steve C.
      Shall I post The Battle of All Battles ?
      :holycrap:

      Spring has arrived I guess!! I've never heard of so many outbreaks confirmed before!!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Da Whip
      JR and Steve C.
      Shall I post The Battle of All Battles ?
      Let's do it! The truth must be heard!
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      An old thread but excellent pictures
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