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    New Formal Pond

    Hey guys…long time lurker and have loved watching everyone’s ponds being built via Koiphen!!! With that being said, we are getting ready to build a new koi pond and using a professional builder who has been great to work with. He is one of the VERY few builders in the area who knows what TPRS, BD, UV’s etc. are!! With all that being said, I want to build this ONCE and thought some feedback and/or suggestions might be in order. I know there are very different schools of thought on filtration, etc and with that being said I had a LIM bead filter before and LOVED it. I wanted to use that again but we augmented it with a gravity fed vortex. Without tearing my plans to much apart , let me know what you think and where we might improve/change, etc.

    Little history: I Inherited a small pond at the old house in Atlanta and got extremely attached and as a result moved my 4 koi in the back of the car to Raleigh. (Thanks MCA for those moving tips back on the Atlanta Summer Pond Tour!!). They are currently in a Rubbermaid stock tank and enjoying life in the garage!

    Brief overview of the pond: With the new house and backyard, the pond is a balance with my desire to have a Koi pond and my wife’s desire to have a formal and fully landscaped backyard. The size of the pond will be approximately 8x16 with 4.5 to 5 foot straight sides sloping down to 6 feet in the middle (I know bigger would be better, but the yard is limited and there are other needs like patio, outdoor kitchen, etc!). The pond will have a deck going around one side (built off the current screened in porch) with a small observation deck on the far side. It will be cantilevered over the pond by a couple of feet with a reflective material, perhaps mirrored tile under the deck so it appears that the pond flows back under the house. It will be built like a swimming pool with rebar, shotcrete and ultimately sealed. My father-in-law is the landscape architect and designed the entire thing along with our front and side yards. An engineer reviewed the specs for the cantilever, bluestone patio, etc that but up against the pond, so we should be ok with the red clay here in North Carolina.

    The Filter Plan: The current plan calls for one 4 inch LIM BD gravity feeding to a Wave 36 vortex with self cleaning micro screen. It then passes through a Wave II ¾ HP and a Bio Wave Plus 60 . After the bead it will flow through an emperor HO 120 UV back via 4 TPRs under the waterline. In addition to the TPR’s there is also a small reflecting pool (4x4) with a formal piece of sculpture that will feed a sheet waterfall dropping 4 to 5 inches into the main pool. This will be plumbed to have a winter bypass and can regulate flow to it from the filter area.

    There is also going to be a skimmer that I think is plumbed also into the vortex (One of my questions for later). The BD will have an air dome and plumbed separately with a Hakko 80 providing the air supply.

    I don’t have any plumbing specs at present, but hope that gives enough to get me started. Couple of questions I have are:

    Should the skimmer be on its own circuit or since I am not feeding a massive waterfall or long stream, can the Wave II handle the suction I want on the BD and the suction from the skimmer?
    Should we plan for two bottom drains or with sufficient slope created in the bottom can one handle it?
    We are talking about building the deck out of Ipe, but it is really expensive and was curious about dry cured ACQ that will be stained and sealed.

    Here is a drawing that I did a couple of months ago, that while not all that pretty, should reflect at a high level the design.
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    Last edited by tghodge; 02-28-2006 at 04:26 PM.

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    Skimmer and bottom drains--separate circuit is best

    Where's the drawing?!?!?! Oh, you only posted 5 mins ago...maybe you're still figuring it out?

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    Tim, try your concept picture again.


    Separate circuits if at all possible - 1 for the bottom drain, and one for the skimmer.

    Good to see you posting.

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    I think that worked!!

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    Yep

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    Two BDs valved to control flow and for clean out then to a Y fitting , then to the vortex. The skimmer should be ( IMHO ) a Savio filter skimmer and have it's own line. You might be able to get away with just the filter in the skimmer till you can add it's own filter. Feed the TPRs from the BD line and the waterfall from the skimmer. Be sure to leave room in the filter area to add diltration. Room is cheap up front but very exepnsive as a retro fit.
    Dwight

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    This might be my complete incompetece on my part or not having had a skimmer on the old pond, but is the skimmer gravity fed or does it need to have suction from a pump? I thought the skimmer was just getting leaves off the top water, so why does it need its own filter? I like the Savio as well (from everything I have read), but isn't the LIM 60 more than enough for the 4700 or so gallons I will have? I guess I thought the one BD and the skimmer would both flow to the vortex and the that same water would be run into the bead. At that point there would be enough power from the Wave II 3/4 to feed the TPR's and the very small reflection pond. I am sure I am missing it, can you provide a bit more detail...

    Sorry for the dumb questions!!

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    I'm not a pro at this... but here goes..There is ideal and there is reality. But you are still at the ideal stage. Ideal is a separate circuit for each BD and each skimmer. To regulate the flow between a BD and skimmer can be pain. Skimmers CAN be gravity fed but you need 4" pipe from it to do it well ie max flow. The bottom drain is usually the winner in a single settlement tank with 2 feeds. Water pressure and pipe size is usually the determining factor. I think it CAN be done, but ideally do it separate.

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    Also as Kent W has taught us skimmers pick up water that is full of floating stuff. This won't settle out in a vortex or setelment chamber hince the " need " for a filter. You can use a nonfiltered skimmer and run it to an external filter. I also think that gravity skimmers are pretty much useless ( from personqal experience ) , not much water level difference for the thing to work.
    Dwight

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    Formal Pond - Construction has begun!

    Wanted to share a few of the first pics. It was great timing...my first child was born the day they started digging! I obvioslly missed pics from the first couple of days...so here is what I got when we got home.
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