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    Thread: Pics of sick fish

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      Pics of sick fish

      Here they are, the best I could do. I hope this helps give you guys a visual of what I'm dealing with.

      Pic #1 is the 3" butterfly. He's still live. You can see the white patches on his side, and the tips of his fins. That was this morning before the PP paste.
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      Butters

      I hope you got the idea of what it looks like close up.

      This next one is a 5" ogon, and you can see how much is on him. All that happened overnight AFTER the MG treatment in the tank and the MG swabbing of his whole body.
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      one more

      Here are all of them, the way there were this morning, all huddled together. No one is gasping or pumping their gills, and they just sit quietly on the bottom. All the white you see is the affected areas, not light reflection.
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      this guy is unaffected

      Go figure. The smallest of the bunch, and came from the same place, and he isn't showing any symptoms.

      Just what type of koi is he?? He's the brightest silver I've ever seen. And boy is he fast!!!
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      Hey sorry I missed you last night. I'm staying at dads.

      I think after the MG treatment, I'd give them a break. Just clean water and plenty of air.

      But what do I know?

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      *hugs*

      Hey Cin, good to see you. Yeah, I'm gonna leave them alone, but if these white patches keep popping up, I'm not sure what to do with them. I swear it's because I used water straight from the well, and it was too cold for the 180 gal tank. Dropped the temp too much, and whammo...fungus galore. I've had the same thing happen with an aquarium, and whammo...ich.
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      I was using the MG every 3 days 2 drops per gallon in a big barrell container and it finally cleared up. Even swabbed some directly on the bad spot.

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      I talked to Sharon this morning, sez all is well, I'm sure she posted the good news by now. Do we have anyone in NC outer banks? We're supposed to ge 2-4 inches of rain, starting anytime.

      I hope I didn't mess up my filter...I put it back in this morning, but didn't do a water change. I thought MG lost it's strength with sunlight, plus I diluted it with 75 more gallons of water.
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      Sooz, nothing goes away immediately. Have they stopped dying? Do they look better. I wish I had more experience with this so I cold help more .... well no I don't wish I had more experience.... sorry but I do wish I could help more.

      It looks like bad ich in the pics. MY guys were covered even worse but 3 days of proform c cleared it right up.

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      They've stopped dying, yes

      Like Cindy said, good water and some rest will be best. I've never seen ich on anything but tropical fish, and the 'white spots' where tiny, like grains of salt, and never caused the fins to go solid white like that.

      I'm back up to 150 gals in the Q tank, with heat and aeration, and put the filter back in cuz the nitrites were climbing, and I have no ammonia binder.

      If it is ich, wouldn't salt cure it? Maybe raising the salt to .3? That wouldn't stress them more.
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      But does that first pic look like ich?? It's like the white is under the scales and inside the fins. Hmmm....

      and what do you think of that last guy? Kinda interesting.
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      Sooz I went back and looked at my own pics of the bad ich I had earlier this year and you are right, yours is much denser - mine although covered were smaller specs. Mind plays tricks when you're old like me :o

      I really like that little guy. Is he undergoing the tank treatment. I would, just to be safe.

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      Hope someone comes to your aide soon Sue. I've never seen anything like that and didn't know that cold water could make things like this appear. You have tested the water parameters coming straight from your well? We do water changes with our city water because our well water here stinks (hmmm...literally and figuratively). I sure hope you don't lose any more fish.

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      Sooz, I'm going to move this to the main, just incase folks haven't been checking here. Hopefully some one with the 'experience' will see the pics.

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      Parasite attack

      I bet if you feel the fish were those spots are on the orange butterfly it will feel rough to the touch. Kind of like sand paper. Right?

      Some type of parasite has eaten through the slime coat. Or the fish have flashed so much it has worn the slime coat off.

      Costia or maybe chilodonella.........

      From what I can see, it does not look like anything is going to help the fish now. And any type of treatment is likely to push them over the edge.

      Wish it was better news........

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      Yes, you're right Bonnie, about the area feeling rough, but it was only after I swabbed with HP first day, (to see if it was costia) and MG the yesterday day. I think the treatments took the slime coat off.

      In the past two weeks the Q tank has been treated with fluke meds, two doses of MG, and one PP at 4 PPM. If there are still parasites in the water, they must be a mutant strain.

      This whole mess didn't happen until after I did the PP, and I changed out 50% of the water and replaced it with cold well water. I swear the cold water triggered either Sap or Ich.

      but hey, I can't seem to keep fish very well, I wouldn't believe my own diagnosis
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      SooZQ, what is the post mortem? WHat did the gills look like. What excactly were you treating for? When adding MG was there any salt in pond? If so how much? Keo

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      Hi keo

      Gills looked fine, nice and red, not pale or gray or fraying.

      There was no salt in the water at the time of the first round of treatments. I just added it today 24 hours after yesterday's MG dose of 5ml per 10 gals.

      I was treating for what you see in the pics...which started on the fins as dense white starting at the tips and working its way up, then white patches on the body, which I only noticed on the whites of the shiro bekko.

      One by one they die. It's either kill or cure at this point.

      thanks for the response. I truly appreciate it.
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      Sue - my MG is in a treatment for ick - Knox stops or something like that. Its at home. Supposedly works for ick too.

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      I don't know if anyone has asked you this but did you scope the fish? Its really hard to tell. But scope is #1. Keo

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