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    Thread: Boat or complete change ?

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      Boat or complete change ?

      Before I got in to the Koi habit, my pond was home to a number of various types of fish, mainly Goldies and Shubbies that had been passed to me for various reasons, the normal one was that they had outgrown the bowl they were living in .

      Over the last year I have managed to re-home all the Shubbies and two very large Mirror Carp to one of our new members ( Hi Sue ) , who I am hoping that when she finishes building her new Goldie pond, might like to take the rest of my Goldies . I will keep the ones that have a deformity of any kind, as I am quite used to seeing them in the pond. ( yeah I know I am strange, but I promised their old owners I would look after them, and I keep my promises) .

      OK to get back to the topic of this thread, as we have been informed that we are due a bad winter this year, I have moved them all in to the newly built QT, as it is a lot deeper than the boat pond.( fingers crossed I wont need it for any Koi).

      Next year I wanted to get rid of the boat and build a new pond, as I wanted to have more Koi, the boat pond would be too shallow for Koi, at aprox 20" deep, when I mentioned to my DW that I wanted to build a new pond, she complained as she likes the boat , so my next thought was , what if I cut out the bottom of the boat so all that is left is the surrounding framework, and dig a large hole underneath then add a liner , leaving the boat in place . I could then upgrade all of the pumps and filtration, and kill two birds with one stone, I would have my second Koi pond, and DW would have the boat pond still in place.

      What would you do ? for those who have not seen it before, this is the Boat pond.

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      YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Splendid idea!! !! I like the boat as well

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      Isn't the way you should go always the harder version?

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      Both!!!

      IMHO the boat pond is to way too small for koi that can easily grow to 1 meter long. The boat pond is fine for small fish like goldies. Keep it for them.

      If you want to do koi, get with the local section of BKKS. Visit the ponds of other members. Ask questions. Get ideas. Ask more questions. Then start to plan a koi pond.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MCA
      IMHO the boat pond is to way too small for koi that can easily grow to 1 meter long. The boat pond is fine for small fish like goldies. Keep it for them.

      If you want to do koi, get with the local section of BKKS. Visit the ponds of other members. Ask questions. Get ideas. Ask more questions. Then start to plan a koi pond.
      Hi MCA thanks for your reply , the 2nd pond would only be for young Koi, my main pond is 2000 gallons and 5ft deep. My aim would be to improve the quality of the Koi I wish to keep, so as the Koi in the 2nd pond grow, I will re-home some of those in the main pond and move the new ones over.

      (Sory forgot to mention that I have two ponds)
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      Quote Originally Posted by PleakPond
      Isn't the way you should go always the harder version?

      The easy way out never works.
      I have learn't that there is never an easy way if you get the Koi bug.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Merlin
      Hi MCA thanks for your reply , the 2nd pond would only be for young Koi, my main pond is 2000 gallons and 5ft deep. My aim would be to improve the quality of the Koi I wish to keep, so as the Koi in the 2nd pond grow, I will re-home some of those in the main pond and move the new ones over.

      (Sory forgot to mention that I have two ponds)
      I vote yes on keeping the boat. albeit a very deep boat

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      The boat looks cool - it looks like you have some grass left there. I say build a THIRD pond - only make it your BIGGEST, and use the 2k gallon to keep the youngin's
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      I'm thinking that boat would make a neat "Gilligans Island" waterfall. Pull it up on the side of the (next) BIG pond (hint-hint), plumb it so it overflows into the BIG pond like a waterfall.

      Or... maybe get REALLY nutso in the garage some weekend and make it into a giant balancing spitter. Put a pivot in the middle, run a line from the pump, and have it dump (torrentially!) every couple of minutes.

      Wait!!! Don't run away!!! I've got more ideas!!.....

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      Quote Originally Posted by Roark
      I'm thinking that boat would make a neat "Gilligans Island" waterfall. Pull it up on the side of the (next) BIG pond (hint-hint), plumb it so it overflows into the BIG pond like a waterfall.

      Or... maybe get REALLY nutso in the garage some weekend and make it into a giant balancing spitter. Put a pivot in the middle, run a line from the pump, and have it dump (torrentially!) every couple of minutes.

      Wait!!! Don't run away!!! I've got more ideas!!.....

      Roark
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      Quote Originally Posted by Roark
      I'm thinking that boat would make a neat "Gilligans Island" waterfall. Pull it up on the side of the (next) BIG pond (hint-hint), plumb it so it overflows into the BIG pond like a waterfall.

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      make a pond just bellow the boat and let the boat be the water fall into the new pond.
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      even if you dig deeper and only have the top of the boat as a frame its still too small for koi, unless it looks a lot smaller in the photo then it really is. Its really a nice pond, but its not worth all the work to dig out the bottom cause only very young koi could live there. YOU have another 2000 gal pond? I'd put my efforts into making that pond your home for koi and leave this little one to the goldies. Can you enlarge the 2000 gal pond? Or add a third pond? or maybe just float the boat in the new pond?

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      how about keep the boat but put the new LARGER pond in front or around it to look as though the boat is sinking, adrift or cast ashore

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      As a variation on your own idea, what about lifting the hull then digging and building a semi lidded tank where the hull sat. As you propose, cut off the bottom of the hull and place the hull over the gap in the tank lid. Then get the whole lot fiberglassed. That would allow you the volume you want and keep the Mrs happy. I havent a clue if the water would be oxygenated enough but that can be overcome. If it is thought that gas could be trapped against the ceiling of the cave you could always slope the ceiling.
      There are supposed to be some good glassers on http://www.yorkshirekoi.co.uk/ , I think Matt Williams is one I have forgotten who the others are

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      I LOVE Roark's idea of using the boat for a waterfall pond. You could still dig it out much deeper and confine small koi there using the same filtration system from the big pond (although maybe upgraded to handle the extra volume of water). My pond has two waterfall ponds. Both ponds house small growout koi. I can keep a much better eye on them for the first year in the smaller water, even though they get the benefit of the big pond's filtration.

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      Thanks for all the sugestions guys it has given me a lot to think about.

      And Roark I am still laughing mate . Love the idea of the pivoting water fall, I saw that idea at one of the theme parks in Florida
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      Carolinagirl, how do you keep the small koi from going over the waterfall to the big pond? How about predators--how do you keep predators from getting the little guys in the little ponds?

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