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    Thread: Kanaplex! Urgent!

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      Unhappy Kanaplex! Urgent!

      I have a koi that I believe has severe septicemia. He is pineconing, red sores, tail rot, bleeding in his scales, and it basically being eaten away as I see nothing but red around his anus. I do not have a suitable quarantine tank with winter approaching, so I was wondering if I can treat him in my large pond with my other fish. A few others are showing signs but not as bad. But most of my fish are healthy as of now. Will the kanaplex treatment kill or harm my healthy fish? Please this is urgent. Also do you think the kanaplex will help cure this issue?
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      Please respond! I could use any help I get!

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      Also, my koi’s Fins are starting to get black streaks in them. Does anyone know what that means?

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      Hi Madison,
      I'm sorry for the delay but experts will be up and available soon.
      I'm not familiar with Kanaplex at all so I had to look it up... I'm leery of something that claims to cure dropsy.
      How large is the pond that you'll be treating?
      Along with treating the fish, you should be looking for what's causing the issue and correcting it or you'll be in
      a constant battle. Can you tell us more about the pond... filtration? Rocks on the bottom of the pond? Water tests
      for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, and KH? Temp?
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      I was planning on lowering the pond so the medication will be more affordable. I was going to lower it to 600 gallows but right now it is 800. I am trying to figure out what is causing this. I have never had problems before. I got my water tested and everything was fine. I did bring home 3 new fish and one died. It was fuzzy and looked like it had been eaten away. It’s fins were ripped also. Maybe this infection spread to my other fish. I don’t know if it had parasites or just a bacterial infection. I do know it’s fun was slightly torn before and it must have gotten infected and then died. I have three large filters and the bottom has some sand. I have two plants. One comes out of the water and the other is a lily but it has died. The temperature is probably around 58 degrees Fahrenheit right now.

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      It would be very helpful if you could provide the test results Steve asked for, i.e. ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and KH. You me tioned that you had the water tested but parameters can change rapidly, thus you should have test kits and be testing weekly. All the API kits are available on Amazon. How many fish do you have of what (approximate) lengths? Are you doing regular water changes with dechlorinator?

      You could order a jar of Crystal Clear Wipeout from Amazon and use that on your pond following label instructions, but be sure to take your filters offline first, and leave them off for several hours. I would normally recommend a more intensive bath for the affected fish, but it doesn't sound like you are set up to do that.

      If you can remove the sand from the pond bottom, that would help control the bacterial levels. Do you have a bottom drain? Air supply?
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      I have about 22 fish. 3 are over 15 inches. 8 are goldfish about 10 inches. I have 2 little ones, 1 seven inches the other four inches. And the rest range from 10-12 inches I believe. I have recently done a big water change with API stress coat. I don’t have a bottom drain and their only air supply is through the waterfalls. I have 2 big waterfalls. I can send a picture of my pond when I get home. I am afraid to keep the severely infected koi in the quarantine pool because the temperature is getting so cold. As for the current ph and other water tests, I am not sure. I know the ph was a tad high but not enough to be a problem.

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      I will take my water to the local fish store to be tested again today. They will not give me a sheet with the exact numbers but they will tell me if anything looks odd

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      I could try to use my suction tube to get some sand out but i don’t think it is long enough.

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      Are you sure of your gallonage? What are dimensions of the pond?
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      It is a weird shape. I would say 8 ft long by 3.5 ft wide and 3 ft tall. But it is not a perfect rectangle. There is a small end that is shallow

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      That would work out to 628 gallons, which, I'm afraid, means you are *seriously* overstocked. Do you have a garage in which you could set up an Intex pool?

      Are you a member of the Mid Atlantic Koi Club? They should have members who could help you in person. The contact listed for the southern chapter, which includes MD, is Bob@BlueRibbonKoi.com.

      Your local fish store should sell API test kits.
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      I do have a garage but I do not have any more filters or aerators or even a tank big enough. Thank you for recommending that. I am not a member. Could I just email him and we just set up a meeting?

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      Yes.
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      I just really don’t know what the underlying issue is. If my water tests come back normal I guess the only reason would be that this one fish that died gave them the infection also?

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      How long has the pond been operating?

      Honestly, your chances of healing these fish without providing heated, clean, filtered water are not very good. Many people set up 8-10ft Intex pools (Walmart) and you can get 1kw pond/aquarium heaters to bring the temp up to 70-75. If you wrap the pool in flexible insulation (the kind that is like bubble wrap, Home Depot) and set the pool up on rigid insulation panels (Home Depot) that will help hold in heat. You could pull one of the filters off your pond. I use a Matala Biosteps box filter powered by a Tiny Might pump on my quarantine tank. You can get retro bottom drains, just ask Google.
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      Ponds are closed systems. With no bottom drain, a good part of the fish waste is settling into that sand on the bottom and the bacteria are multiplying. You are severely overcrowded, which stresses the fish and depresses their immune systems. Just like overstressed people who are exposed to a pathogen, the fish are succumbing to bacteria brought in by your recent purchases, and the weakest are going first.

      Read the health stickies at the top of this forum, and go to koiorganisationinternational.com and look for "Koi 101."
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