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    Thread: Can poor hobbyist have good Koi ?

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      You are never going to find a big bodied nisai for $350. The best bet to get a big koi , as Rain mentioned, is to save a bit of money ($250-$500) and get a nice looking single colored tosai from a farm that is known for size. Marudo mukashi/chagoi/saragoi, izumiya yamabuki, konishi karashigoi, Shinoda hi utsuri even... ect. It's also really nice not to worry about pattern, sumi development, secondary beni, beni loss ect. You get to focus on the two most important parts of the hobby; body and skin. I know Russ had a gorgeous Taniguchi asagi from a monster chagoi oya for like $4oo that will probably be a boat. I would have bought it but he had a really nice goromo that I couldnt turn away from.

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      Quote Originally Posted by inazuma28 View Post
      You are never going to find a big bodied nisai for $350. The best bet to get a big koi , as Rain mentioned, is to save a bit of money ($250-$500) and get a nice looking single colored tosai from a farm that is known for size. Marudo mukashi/chagoi/saragoi, izumiya yamabuki, konishi karashigoi, Shinoda hi utsuri even... ect. It's also really nice not to worry about pattern, sumi development, secondary beni, beni loss ect. You get to focus on the two most important parts of the hobby; body and skin. I know Russ had a gorgeous Taniguchi asagi from a monster chagoi oya for like $4oo that will probably be a boat. I would have bought it but he had a really nice goromo that I couldnt turn away from.
      Remember the OP lives in California.


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      How did I do with the grow out this year mr Ricshaw?
      Gained avg in 6 months cheap price koi
      https://youtu.be/ZvSvWTOax6Q
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      I'm going to start doing the growouts and is a great learning experience. I have a tank in the garage now so I can heat and cheat next year. I missed the boat this year

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      I would recommend PSKoi for the simple fact that as he will read this thread and understand your budget limitations he could very well find what your looking for in his stock at reasonable prices and giving you the opportunity to aquire what you are looking for, example last year I contacted him and explained my financial and my requirements for a SU Female well it turns out he had what I was looking for and withing my budget. Nisai arrived here at 22.5" back in Feb 2017 today she's almost 27", not all koi will turn out to be show koi but the gene to grow big on a budget I think he can help. Good luck and happy koi hunting
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      Quote Originally Posted by OCkoiFan View Post
      How did I do with the grow out this year mr Ricshaw?
      Gained avg in 6 months cheap price koi
      https://youtu.be/ZvSvWTOax6Q
      . I just subscribed to ur channel Mitch Iíll be in Anaheim in the 17th and 18th. Think u have one to spare to meet me at Andrew koi international? Would it be better for me to upgrade my filtration system first before trying to get more koi
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      Quote Originally Posted by OCkoiFan View Post
      How did I do with the grow out this year mr Ricshaw?
      Gained avg in 6 months cheap price koi
      https://youtu.be/ZvSvWTOax6Q
      You did GREAT last year. I did not buy one this year.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Nguyen365 View Post
      . I just subscribed to ur channel Mitch I’ll be in Anaheim in the 17th and 18th. Think u have one to spare to meet me at Andrew koi international? Would it be better for me to upgrade my filtration system first before trying to get more koi
      The next coming contest date is May 4th 2019
      That’s when you can pick new koi but only whoever bring koi back get the early entry between 8-10am

      I can’t spare the group that I need the bring back to compete next May
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      Canít u buy jumbo tosai for around $200-$350 each? But the 25 inches are big koi. All my heard are only 10 inches now

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      Jumbo tosai does not equal to jumbo fish later.

      What makes a fish jumbo is genetics plus good environment. The future jumbos are good eaters that don't stop growing. You will have some clues whether you bought a gem or dud within a year or so.

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      Everyone has said just about everything...the answer to your question in your title is "yes."
      Now you want strategies?
      First you do not keep koi. You keep water. Good water and adequate food will make the koi you have achieve their potential. Most "poor people" have p1ss poor ponds which create p1ss poor water which limits what the koi will do.
      Now the next part is to buy FIRST at a koi show. This means getting there BEFORE the stated time...Contact people that are bringing koi, tell em and show em what you got, what you know, what you want, and what you can pay. Then buy all your koi from ONE dealer/breeder. Ask him to steer you away from fish he thinks won't grow big, but buy the patterns that you like...buy 5x the number of fish your pond can hold. (You could even buy a "box" of koi you do not get to select for an amazing price from some dealer/breeders. And if they know where you are going they can pick better than you can. the fish may look like hell but in five years...) Putting a lump of money in a dealer/breeders pocket means a lot to him. he wants to go home from the show with a lump. he wants someone to think enough of hos fish to go all in. And if he has a bunch of fish in your pond he can keep up with you and his fish.) Now why buy x the number you need or want or should have.... and now you have to prove yourself... cull when you see the need. PERIOD. Virtually no hobbyist is capable of culling. If your big pond can handle eleven 30lb fish never have more than 200lbs of fish while they are growing rapidly....you'll have to cull like a mad man to keep under 200lbs till you can settle on the 15 you can take over the 200lbs limit. when you get to 250lbs you have to make the final cull.... good luck. very few of the best hobbyist can control their ponds population correctly.... lastly pick a quality breeder/dealer to patronize..not the easiest.
      And the above is virtually impossible to do... even if you have a big wonderful body of water.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ricshaw View Post
      Remember the OP lives in California.
      I dont understand what that means... Are fish cheaper in California?

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      The name of the game is brain chemistry not the quality of koi you have. Sure I would like to have 10k koi but I am extremely happy with the koi I have. Most people are happy with their koi selection they have. If you want to compete then it’s a different question. Stop chasing the “good” koi and enjoy your koi. Cheers.

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      Quote Originally Posted by inazuma28 View Post
      i dont understand what that means... Are fish cheaper in california?
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      All the Koi in this video cost $100.00 each.



      Several West Coast Koi dealers have similar tosai sales... plus dealers offer Koi at great prices at the various Koi shows.


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      All the Koi in this video were purchased the year before for $100.00 each.



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      Quote Originally Posted by ricshaw View Post
      All the Koi in this video were purchased the year before for $100.00 each.

      How long is this contest 7 months or year round? Wow from 10-22 inches that’s fast

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nguyen365 View Post
      How long is this contest 7 months or year round? Wow from 10-22 inches that’s fast
      Basically, you buy the tosai at a special sale in May.
      If you bring the Koi back the following year, the first Saturday in May, for the Growth Contest... you get first pick at the new tosai for sale.

      Information On Andy’s Annual Koi Growth Contest


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      I should have opened this topic earlier . Thank you all for valuable experience.

      Yes, Both Champion Koi and Genki koi know me because I am always have questions for them. All of my Pond equipment, Fishes, food,Koi medication from these two Koi farms. They are very friendly and helpful. They are willing to help you even you don't buy anything from them. However, I need to understand that they are dealers, they need profit to run their farm. I could not buy decent Koi with cheap price.



      Thank you all again.

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      for that price you can have a decent body structure quality in tosai, not a show quality but yes they can grow big

      this hi utsuri i got from keeping contest, the price under 100usd. she grew 25cm to 69cm after over 10 months



      theese two are my best buy so far both are under 200usd and i bought them at around 16-18cm
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3sADGVkIFM
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOcZcx_DVMc

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