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    Thread: What is wrong with my fish?

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      What is wrong with my fish?

      I uploaded a short video onto my OneDrive. The link to the video is shown below. My fish started to swim like that about four weeks ago, and I don't believe it eats anymore. It sits in one place hours at a time and it swims like that if I try to move it. I first thought, it was mating or something has stuck in its throat. I don't know what is going on. The rest of my fish look normal. Thanks in advance for any help...


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      Hi z_zk_z,
      I'm very sorry to hear that you're having difficulty. It's great that you were able to provide a video.
      I could be wrong, and others more learned than I will chime in, but it seems like a bacterial infection / swim bladder problem. To get the ball rolling until someone else comes in here, lets get some essential information, ok?

      What is your water temperature?
      What are your water parameters (pH, KH, Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates) and what do you use to test your water? Drops Test? Test Strips?
      When was your last backwash and water exchange? At this point usually at least a 25% water exchange will be called for asap.
      What size is your pond (gallons) and what kind of filtration system do you have?
      Have you added any new fish lately?
      Do you have municipal water (chlorinated)?
      Have you applied any treatments to the pond recently?
      Try to hang in there.
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      If you have a QT, what about transferring the fish into the tank filled with its pond water and slowly building up a recognized salt

      solution dosage to kill any parasites and see how it generally reacts to the treatment.

      Carry out the procedure as per a recognized koi treatment for killing parasites.

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      Salt is no longer an effective treatment for parasites as it's effects have been overcome by stronger more viralant strains of parasites and bacteria.
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      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
      Salt is no longer an effective treatment for parasites as it's effects have been overcome by stronger more viralant strains of parasites and bacteria.


      I was suggesting the salt bath for its general condition as per the video rather than a potent medication.

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      My feelings about the possible cause would be electrocution, either by pumps or other appliances leaking into the pond, or lightning, or it could be stroke. I don't think it has anything to do with parasites, swim bladder, bacterial or viral infections which can be fixed. The fish that I have seen that swim like that have a broken back, making the back non-responsive making the front do all the work, and the fact that it is swimming in a circle it is acting like one side is worse than the other. I don't like to recommend putting a fish down until all remedies have been put to the test, but the only thing that might help this fish is time, and I think it will work itself to death if given time. Sorry, but I think the best treatment for this fish is heavy sedation with clove oil and an hour or so , which will result in death.

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      Quote Originally Posted by coolwon View Post
      If you have a QT, what about transferring the fish into the tank filled with its pond water and slowly building up a recognized salt

      solution dosage to kill any parasites and see how it generally reacts to the treatment.

      Carry out the procedure as per a recognized koi treatment for killing parasites.

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      Quote Originally Posted by coolwon View Post
      I was suggesting the salt bath for its general condition as per the video rather than a potent medication.

      Garfield
      Your original suggestion did NOT suggest a salt "bath" procedure but rather the use of qtank to slowly raise the salt level. A salt bath would be a much higher concentration of salt in a smaller vessel like a show bowl or such and the fish placed into the solution for no more than 20 minutes, or less if the fish is listing over.
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      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
      Your original suggestion did NOT suggest a salt "bath" procedure but rather the use of qtank to slowly raise the salt level. A salt bath would be a much higher concentration of salt in a smaller vessel like a show bowl or such and the fish placed into the solution for no more than 20 minutes, or less if the fish is listing over.

      I did not mean a salt bath at all,that was a BIG mistake.

      I meant swim it in a QTank adding the salt as per the recommended instruction and see how it fairs.

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      A bath can be a dip or a long term thing by definition and use. Normally in the aquaculture world of professionals a "dip" is used to describe a very short term thing...like seconds to minutes, and "bath" is used to describe langer term treatments up to indefinite time periods.
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      Yes salt is not as effective as it once was.... However it is still WIDELY used by professionals whom prove its effectiveness every day in aquaculture, and that includes Koi. Salts effectiveness totally depends on the chemotherapy dose rate, duration of treatment, and the given pathogen or parasite and the degree of infestation of same, and it can also be true with certain variables and circumstances . While the above statement can be true for certain farms/countries, that have used EXCESSIVE or worse Low/inadequate dosing for generations it is by far NOT the normal consensus in the general Aquaculture or Koi Aquaculture world of professionals.
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      Quote Originally Posted by RichToyBox View Post
      My feelings about the possible cause would be electrocution, either by pumps or other appliances leaking into the pond, or lightning, or it could be stroke. I don't think it has anything to do with parasites, swim bladder, bacterial or viral infections which can be fixed. The fish that I have seen that swim like that have a broken back, making the back non-responsive making the front do all the work, and the fact that it is swimming in a circle it is acting like one side is worse than the other. I don't like to recommend putting a fish down until all remedies have been put to the test, but the only thing that might help this fish is time, and I think it will work itself to death if given time. Sorry, but I think the best treatment for this fish is heavy sedation with clove oil and an hour or so , which will result in death.
      For the most part I agree with Rich and would add physical injury like getting whacked in the head ort back by a net or other similar types of blunt force trauma. There are parasites that can cause this as well as brain tumors and other neurological disorders.

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      The focus should remain on assisting the OP, not having a salt debate.
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      There is nothing that can be done to help that fish IMHO depending on the possible cause other than salt. It may come out of this on its own depending on the cause or it could die soon. Either way if I were to try I would start with salt as it is a stress reliever and does help calm fish and aid the osmoregulatory sytem in times of this type of problem. I may even try a shot a Dexamethasone which can be helpful in cases of shock. The debate is part of trying to help the poster decide what to do .
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      Quote Originally Posted by No Buddy View Post
      There is nothing that can be done to help that fish IMHO depending on the possible cause other than salt. It may come out of this on its own depending on the cause or it could die soon. Either way if I were to try I would start with salt as it is a stress reliever and does help calm fish and aid the osmoregulatory sytem in times of this type of problem. I may even try a shot a Dexamethasone which can be helpful in cases of shock. The debate is part of trying to help the poster decide what to do .
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