I figured I'd post progress pictures of this fish because it was a positive surprise. It was one of the very first fish that I bought and oh my goodness - it was definitely very low quality (paid $60 I think), i sure would never even consider it today But surprisingly, it turned out to be a fairly nice looking pond grade fish! The beni is very deep orange color, gin rin is still very shiny, and sumi is quite deep black (sure helps that it's on top of beni . The first picture is in May 2013 at 6". Second picture is two years later at 12". The last two pictures are today - 5 years old and only 18", just doesn't have the right body frame to grow.