• Amused
  • Angry
  • Annoyed
  • Awesome
  • Bemused
  • Cocky
  • Cool
  • Crazy
  • Crying
  • Depressed
  • Down
  • Drunk
  • Embarrased
  • Enraged
  • Friendly
  • Geeky
  • Godly
  • Happy
  • Hateful
  • Hungry
  • Innocent
  • Meh
  • Piratey
  • Poorly
  • Sad
  • Secret
  • Shy
  • Sneaky
  • Tired
  • Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
    Results 1 to 20 of 42

    Thread: Sanke or Showa?

    1. #1
      Matt24's Avatar
      Matt24 is offline Senior Member
      is watchin' em grow
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jul 2012
      Location
      Oklahoma
      Posts
      3,129

      Sanke or Showa?

      Is this one sanke or is it showa … and why?

      Name:  sanke-showa 6-17-2018a.JPG
Views: 887
Size:  111.7 KB Name:  sanke-showa 6-17-2018b.JPG
Views: 849
Size:  93.9 KB Name:  sanke-showa 6-17-2018c.JPG
Views: 857
Size:  96.3 KB Name:  sanke-showa 6-17-2018d.JPG
Views: 854
Size:  89.3 KB Name:  sanke-showa 6-17-2018e.JPG
Views: 830
Size:  94.4 KB

      • Remove Ads
        Advertising from Google
        Promoting Koi and Pond
        keeping since 2007

         

    2. #2
      nguyenphilip is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Mar 2007
      Location
      denver
      Posts
      411
      Showa.

    3. #3
      ricshaw is offline Senior Member
      is who misses his Koi.
       
      Feeling:
      Bemused
       
      Join Date
      Jan 2016
      Location
      Southern California
      Posts
      2,085
      Sanke

    4. #4
      wingrider is offline Senior Member
      is satisfied with his flow.
       
      Feeling:
      Awesome
       
      Join Date
      May 2018
      Location
      Bay Area, California
      Posts
      118
      Showke :-)

    5. #5
      FRK's Avatar
      FRK is offline Supporting Member
      is On the home stretch
       
      Feeling:
      Happy
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2018
      Location
      Southwest Missouri, USA
      Posts
      293
      Quote Originally Posted by wingrider View Post
      Showke :-)
      LOL

      Showa is my guess going by the Kage sumi.
      Last edited by FRK; 06-21-2018 at 04:57 AM.

    6. #6
      delbert is offline Supporting Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jun 2013
      Location
      NE Arkansas 7a
      Posts
      2,999
      Showa

    7. #7
      Matt24's Avatar
      Matt24 is offline Senior Member
      is watchin' em grow
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jul 2012
      Location
      Oklahoma
      Posts
      3,129
      Quote Originally Posted by wingrider View Post
      Showke :-)
      or maybe Shawnke?

    8. #8
      rainblood's Avatar
      rainblood is offline Assembler of Water Droplets
      is The Plantinator
       
      Feeling:
      Piratey
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2008
      Location
      Valhalla
      Posts
      16,142
      Hmmm...Sanke.

      Final answer
      -Rain

      :I CAN'T BRING THIS SHIP INTO TRTUGA ALL BY ME ONESIES, SAVVY?:

    9. #9
      OCkoiFan's Avatar
      OCkoiFan is offline Supporting Member
      is Mitchiesan-ninja’s
      feather rock
       
      Feeling:
      Amused
       
      Join Date
      Apr 2014
      Location
      Orange County, CA
      Posts
      5,306
      If it is a Showa? Where is the motoguro?
      M.Nguyen


    10. #10
      OCkoiFan's Avatar
      OCkoiFan is offline Supporting Member
      is Mitchiesan-ninja’s
      feather rock
       
      Feeling:
      Amused
       
      Join Date
      Apr 2014
      Location
      Orange County, CA
      Posts
      5,306
      Quote Originally Posted by rainblood View Post
      Hmmm...Sanke.

      Final answer
      Watch out the “Ninja”
      M.Nguyen


      • Remove Ads
        Advertising from Google
        Promoting Koi and Pond
        keeping since 2007

         

    11. #11
      inazuma28 is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Apr 2012
      Location
      Ronkonkoma, New York
      Posts
      2,600
      This is a Sanke. I would award this fish the most showa looking sanke ever. The sumi even wraps to the ventral side of the fish.... But this fish has tejima not motogoro

    12. #12
      audioenvy is offline Supporting Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Oct 2016
      Location
      North Carolina
      Posts
      901
      To me, that looks like Showa sumi. But I'd love an alternate explanation!

    13. #13
      audioenvy is offline Supporting Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Oct 2016
      Location
      North Carolina
      Posts
      901
      Quote Originally Posted by inazuma28 View Post
      But this fish has tejima not motogoro
      Is that the trump card when it comes to the classification?

    14. #14
      Marilyn's Avatar
      Marilyn is offline Supporting Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Apr 2008
      Location
      happy in the Heartland! 46071
      Posts
      17,079
      Sanke.

      Still learning as I go but y'all can call me Marilyn

    15. #15
      stevek is offline Supporting Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jan 2010
      Location
      wakefield, RI
      Posts
      1,160
      Half the responders are saying showa, but the other half say sanke. No wonder rookies like me still can't figure this out.....OP wants to know why you made your decision; we can all learn if responders provide more insight....

    16. #16
      wingrider is offline Senior Member
      is satisfied with his flow.
       
      Feeling:
      Awesome
       
      Join Date
      May 2018
      Location
      Bay Area, California
      Posts
      118
      Quote Originally Posted by stevek View Post
      Half the responders are saying showa, but the other half say sanke. No wonder rookies like me still can't figure this out.....OP wants to know why you made your decision; we can all learn if responders provide more insight....
      Quote Originally Posted by wingrider View Post
      Showke :-)
      While some are completely wrong, I'd like to think I am at least half right.

    17. #17
      ricshaw is offline Senior Member
      is who misses his Koi.
       
      Feeling:
      Bemused
       
      Join Date
      Jan 2016
      Location
      Southern California
      Posts
      2,085
      Quote Originally Posted by stevek View Post
      Half the responders are saying showa, but the other half say sanke. No wonder rookies like me still can't figure this out.....OP wants to know why you made your decision; we can all learn if responders provide more insight....
      Only the expert half are right. It is a very poor example to learn about different sumi.
      Last edited by ricshaw; 06-21-2018 at 11:50 AM.

    18. #18
      inazuma28 is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Apr 2012
      Location
      Ronkonkoma, New York
      Posts
      2,600
      My understanding is that Sanke and Showa have a different type of sumi. This type is reflected in its appearance, but more so in how and where it develops. For example, sanke sumi normally comes in blocks above the lateral line and creates striped fins (Tejima). Showa sumi is normally wrapping from the dorsal through the ventral side and creates motogoro ( black in a condensed circle near the fin joint. If you look at this fish, the flanks look like a showa, but the head, nose, fins, and shoulder are very indicative of sanke sumi. This is my understanding anyway.

    19. #19
      Marilyn's Avatar
      Marilyn is offline Supporting Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Apr 2008
      Location
      happy in the Heartland! 46071
      Posts
      17,079
      We all know what the ideals are for the different varieties but that doesn't mean that all offspring from those pairings hold true to the ideals. Life would be a lot easier for all breeders if that were the case.

      My suspicion is this koi has both Showa and Sanke in its background and is expressing both. I personally think it looks more Sanke but as a Sanke it is far from the ideal. The sumi quality and placement is less than ideal. It does have sumi characteristics of Showa but that only means, to me, that it does not express the far more refined sumi of what we see often on good Sanke.
      That does not mean all Sanke have ideal sumi, far from it. Go back far enough and you will see Sanke with what we think of as Showa sumi. To my eyes this looks like a less evolved or refined Sanke.

      Still learning as I go but y'all can call me Marilyn

    20. #20
      ricshaw is offline Senior Member
      is who misses his Koi.
       
      Feeling:
      Bemused
       
      Join Date
      Jan 2016
      Location
      Southern California
      Posts
      2,085
      Quote Originally Posted by Matt24 View Post

      Where did this Koi come from?

      • Remove Ads
        Advertising from Google
        Promoting Koi and Pond
        keeping since 2007

         

    Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •