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    Thread: Matt's Kohaku/Sanke Spawn 2018

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      Matt's Kohaku/Sanke Spawn 2018

      Greetings everyone! Not warm enough yet, but planning for this potential 2018 spawn. While calling it "kohaku/sanke", there are a couple of qualifers, (1) it is to include a male showa and (2) let's see if this really happens.

      With the female kohaku, my plan for now is to include four males (two kohaku, a sanke, and a showa). All five are selected from my red ones rather than the orange in hopes of more red developing in the results. (Attempts 10+ years ago yielded mostly orange with few red.) Out of my dozen or so fish in the kohaku/sanke/showa varieties, only a few are mature females, and only one of those is red. So she's the one. She has a couple of shimis and a rather simple pattern, but good build and size for 5 years. The males include my 16-year-old kohaku and 10-year-old showa plus two, a kohaku and a sanke, that I picked up second-hand last fall for a nice price.

      One reason for including a showa male is that my showa spawns in the last 3 years used orange females, producing orange showa, but not red. So I would like to see if any truly red showa will come from the red-red combo.

      Let's see if this really happens. Besides a possible change of plans, I tried to use this female in a spawn once before. The two males with her did their best with lots of pushing and splashing for nearly an hour, but she never laid her eggs. Hopefully the time will be right when it warms up later this spring. I'll try to add pictures of the adults in the coming days.

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      Hey Matt ! .. I’ll be watching to see how the season turns out for you .
      The weather has been up and down everywhere this year we’re just now getting consistent weather.

      I like the choices you made to go for the red . Good luck



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      Thanks Delbert. It was a mild March and then we got temps in the 20's in early-mid April, weird.

      Between the cloudy sky today, wave distortion, and glare (no leaves on the trees yet), these photos aren't too good. But they give an idea of what these koi are like. First here is the female Dainichi.

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      Here are the older male kohaku and showa. For many years, the red on the kohaku extended down to his right eye, symmetrical with the left side. But over the last couple of years, he has developed a receding hi-line.

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      Below are the bargain male kohaku and sanke that I found last fall.

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      Very nice parents to be.

      Matt you're an old pro it seems at spawning. Can you give some tips on sure-shot ways to trigger spawning. I'd like them do it in the spring before we go away on our summer vacation. Thanks.

      (hopefully this won't derail this lovely thread too much, my apologies)
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      Thanks KoiRun. Not an old pro, very much an amateur. First make sure you've got a mix of male and female. Sounds stupid I know, but I once misidentified a chubby male as a female, and it did not work ... until I pulled him out of the spawning tub and put him in the girls' pond . Sometimes they don't spawn when I want them to. Having something to spawn on is important, such as spawning brushes, spawning ropes. Of course if you have plants, that will do, though most koi folks don't. Some use artificial Christmas garlands. Water temperature is a key. Some say around 72 F (22 C) or so is best, but I've seen them spawn anywhere from the lower 60's (17 C) to the upper 70's (25 C), and occasionally even outside of that range. As far north as you are, I wonder if it would take until late June or something, unless you heated the water. Changes sometimes seem to set them off, like a significant water change, just moving them to a new pond or tub, or a rainstorm or cool front blowing in. Some say they like a full moon, but I've seen them spawn at all stages of the lunar cycle. I don't know of any one thing or combination that always works. Usually doing the above will work, but you may have to give it time. Sometimes I've left mine in the spawning pond for many days before they spawned. Best of luck!

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      Matt! You go, guy. I like your oyagoi a lot and of course cannot wait to hear/see how it goes.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Matt24 View Post
      Thanks KoiRun. Not an old pro, very much an amateur. First make sure you've got a mix of male and female. Sounds stupid I know, but I once misidentified a chubby male as a female, and it did not work ... until I pulled him out of the spawning tub and put him in the girls' pond . Sometimes they don't spawn when I want them to. Having something to spawn on is important, such as spawning brushes, spawning ropes. Of course if you have plants, that will do, though most koi folks don't. Some use artificial Christmas garlands. Water temperature is a key. Some say around 72 F (22 C) or so is best, but I've seen them spawn anywhere from the lower 60's (17 C) to the upper 70's (25 C), and occasionally even outside of that range. As far north as you are, I wonder if it would take until late June or something, unless you heated the water. Changes sometimes seem to set them off, like a significant water change, just moving them to a new pond or tub, or a rainstorm or cool front blowing in. Some say they like a full moon, but I've seen them spawn at all stages of the lunar cycle. I don't know of any one thing or combination that always works. Usually doing the above will work, but you may have to give it time. Sometimes I've left mine in the spawning pond for many days before they spawned. Best of luck!
      Thanks so MUCH for these wonderful tips Matt.
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