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    Thread: red skins and fins and hanging in the water near the water return

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      red skins and fins and hanging in the water near the water return

      Most if not all of my 24+ inch koi are very pink/red and listless.
      The only things that have changed are
      Ducks came to the pond the last few days(happens every year like clockwork
      Real cold front came through the last two days, the water definitely feels a lot colder than a week ago.
      And I got some new fish at the koi show and dumped them in exactly 48 hours ago. (it can't be the new fish brought something in with them or on the bags. it couldn't happen that fast, especially in cooler water).
      So now I just wait...if it was the cold front it whacked em harder than any other cold front has. If it was some parasite brought in by the ducks then that is just the nature of the beast.

      No need for "I am sorry"s or offering advice on how to treat (No treatment is possible because of the size of the pond and fish).

      I am just wondering if others have had their koi redden up after a strong cold front came through....The Mollies and cichlids seem to be less affected.
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      Maybe duck poop kicked up th nitrates. If they are hanging out at the water return it could be they need the oxygen because fo high nitrate levels. Give them extra air and water change.

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      I am going to chime in on the possibility of changes to water chemistry. Check the numbers. I have never seen a major temperature change cause that type of problem.

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      Its all good here in Orlando no changes on my koi.

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      yeah I only posted about koi coming from the CFKS because if I did not someone would bring it up. It ain't the new koi.
      The pond is 51,000 gallons and has less than 200lbs of fish in it, and is flow through from a deep well, so it ain't a chemistry issue.
      Fish still are not doing well. Not feeding. just hanging there all pink/red. even a jumper every couple of hours.

      One thing I thought it might be...I had some old sour cream (still with in the Past Due Date). I put that on their food a few days back?????????
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      more jumping, but it could be agood thging because they are moving around the pond a little more...or could be they are dying.
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      Sorry for your grief.
      I remember your KHV incident a while back.
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      yeah, NOT KHV. I am Sure of that. It had to be something the ducks brought in...now there seems to be a lot of heads down low
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      My guess is costia. February was so warm in Central Florida that the usual Spring outbreak of costia, etc. has started early.

      With 51,000 gallons treatment with Proform C would cost about $400 (plus shipping). I would try salt at 0.6%, cut-off the flow-through for a week and stop feeding. The big bags of salt at Home Depot would not cost a lot. Unless too weakened, koi can take 0.6% salt. I do not know about the cichlids. It may not eliminate all the varmints, but will knock them back. ...PP would work also & in big container is not expensive, but without good circulation there would be hot spots.

      Good luck, Luke.

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      Is this going be another one of those ER threads where 99.9% you bomb the whole pond then it gets better without an actual (or come close to an actual) diagnosis?

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      Koirun...I like e way you think.
      But now that I have ruled out the bad sour cream(because that was five days ago and they look worse today). MikeM and I are on the same page...
      and if this website was easy to upload photos(?) I would show a purple pond right now.
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      Quote Originally Posted by lukef View Post
      ...and if this website was easy to upload photos(?) I would show a purple pond right now.
      Should take just 3 or 4 clicks...

      The first 5 screenshots should explain how to get your pic posted. The next ones just show alternative options. The forum now
      should resize you photos for you so large ones may take awhile to upload but shouldn't take anymore effort:

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      Luke can you drain the pond, put the fish in containers with new water, lotsa air and get a good look at them?

      I have no idea but i had a very weird experience in my mud pond last aug. one day, everything was fine, next day everyone was gonzo. couldn't find a one. few days later, finally found the bigs under the dock and one of them looked very pink. i eventually found the littles crowded together in the reeds at the far end. no one would eat for a week.

      Richtoybox thought maybe a predator had scared them. it was possible. although the pond is netted. there had been no spraying. water quality was normal. ten days later, the pond returned to normal. big fish was no longer pink. small fish returned to normal pattern. never found out wth.

      back to the beginning, can you take the fish out. eyeball. scope. take pictures. change out the water?
      Sorry you have to go through this.



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      Luke, are they looking better since the PP treatment?

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      Sour cream is sour cream. I'm with you on that, it isn't it. I've used sour cream a month past the due date (did a stint in dairy microbiology). If it doesn't smell different, and doesn't have mold on it, it's still good. Now, if your smell detector is off, that's a different story. That's also when it's been in a sealed factory container.

      51,000 gallons is a big body of water, and that much water wouldn't shift in temperature very quickly, so I highly doubt its that.

      My fish will turn pink if my KH is low so I'll add ammonia binder and baking soda (no need in your case, since you have a flow through.

      Ducks carry a ton of parasites, not sure if any are transmissible to fish, but you never know. A more logical scenario is they flew from one infected pond to yours, and in my opinion, most likely the cause of your troubles. Similar to herons that will catch a fish to use as bait at another pond, thereby passing on various fish diseases.

      Hope the PP treatment works; when I have issues like this, I will do my low dose regimen for 2-3 days in a row, and issues usually resolved.

      Good luck, and let us know how it goes.

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      If the PP fixed it it was likely trich. If you're digging holes it was likely costia. Quit buying Profarce B and roll your own. Lots cheaper
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