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      pond plants

      Hi all,

      I would like to get some advice on planting a pond without the use of containers, or if it is wise to. Are there plants that would be safe as far as the rubber liner is concerned ? My pond has between 12 and 24 inches of substrate and a total of 2300 square foot of surface area. I live in North Florida
      and the pond should be done within the next couple of weeks.

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      If this is a koi pond pretty much everyone here will tell you not to put anything in the bottom of the pond. It will just collect muck over time and will become a big mess.



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      this will be a swimming and garden pond, no koi but maybe a half a dozen smaller fish

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      What substrate are you using? Please explain the built in a little more detail. Rubber liners will not hurt plants but most plants need to be rooted in soil. Water hyacinths and water lettuce are floating plants that do not need to be rooted in soil.
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      the op is in Florida. no lettuce or hyacinth

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      Right Kevin. I added that for readers in other states to know. I am not sure as to Florida law as to possession, but I know they cannot be shipped into Florida. A few years ago Craig said that they were changing the law to allow growers to ship water hyacinths out of Florida into permitable states so they must be allowed to own if obtained in FL. I do not know the results as to the change of the law.
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      Quote Originally Posted by matherfish View Post
      Right Kevin. I added that for readers in other states to know. I am not sure as to Florida law as to possession, but I know they cannot be shipped into Florida. A few years ago Craig said that they were changing the law to allow growers to ship water hyacinths out of Florida into permitable states so they must be allowed to own if obtained in FL. I do not know the results as to the change of the law.
      np. hyacinth and lettuce sure can thrive in a pond though. high nitrates is great food for them

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      the pond will be pea rock over the tiles for the airlifts then a layer of geo and then a sand top soil mixture, it's all we have here to work with

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      Pond plants can be planted directly into the sand/top soil mixture. The rubber liner will not hurt them.
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      but will the plants hurt the liner

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      most of them can be planted in just the pea gravel that was what my pond was before I had the redo It did collect gunk in the gravel and if you dont clean it often this could build up a sulphur. I have too watch that when cleaning my settlement chamber. I would not put koi in it though stay with goldfish
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      my question is how are you going too keep the gators out and if you put plants in it how will you know 1 is not hiding under the lilies waiting for some one too get in his range too leap out and grab them'
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      I have been wondering that also, Gander.
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      If the pond has high nutrient loading to support the plants, without being containerized, they can grow very large, and very very heavy, and without the container to keep them confined, cutting them apart to remove them from the pond when overgrown would be a potential risk to the liner. The plants themselves are of no concern to the health of the liner, but large knives and axes are.

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      We have natural ponds all around us with no gators and if one would happen by he would have to climb a 6' wood fence to get to it. I'm more likely to get a bear in it

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      Richtoxbox is absolutely right. Water plants grow very rapidly and must be thinned regularly or they will get so thick they will completely take over and are a nightmare to thin or get out of the pond when planted in substrate or pea gravel.

      I have some of those nightmares right now in my stream beds and they were at one time in containers, but have escaped their pots.

      But the biggest problem I have to get rid of is a yellow flag iris that was growing on the outside of the pond and sent out shoots into the pond on a ledge. It is about 5 feet tall and 10 foot around. I need a crane. It will take me hours of cutting and pulling to remove it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by koi4u2c View Post
      Richtoxbox is absolutely right. Water plants grow very rapidly and must be thinned regularly or they will get so thick they will completely take over and are a nightmare to thin or get out of the pond when planted in substrate or pea gravel.

      I have some of those nightmares right now in my stream beds and they were at one time in containers, but have escaped their pots.

      But the biggest problem I have to get rid of is a yellow flag iris that was growing on the outside of the pond and sent out shoots into the pond on a ledge. It is about 5 feet tall and 10 foot around. I need a crane. It will take me hours of cutting and pulling to remove it.
      Here is what I pulled out of my pond after a couple of years neglect and it is bare liner. I'm sure that pond would get overgrown in a few years without a lot of maintenance. Runners will spread throughout the substrate.
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      Quote Originally Posted by rcmike View Post
      Here is what I pulled out of my pond after a couple of years neglect and it is bare liner. I'm sure that pond would get overgrown in a few years without a lot of maintenance. Runners will spread throughout the substrate.
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      rcmike, do you sell them by the bucket? But plants will get overgrown if not taken care of routinely.
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