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    Thread: Konishi Karashigoi Tosai (likely pond grade)

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      Konishi Karashigoi Tosai (likely pond grade)

      Kodama Koi farm acquired 50 Konishi Karashigoi tosai and offered them at a price that I felt was worth the risk. Customers were not given the option to pick out their specific fish from the lot of 50 and the pricing reflected that. I have no show aspirations but it would sure be cool if one of these fish got to 30" long. One is doitsu and the other is not. They sure are tiny at the moment! We will see how they do--I have pretty low expectations but we will see.

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      Look at the huge tail tube on that doitsu!!

      (Ok, that's a joke. I can never tell what people are talking about when they mention the tail tube. I would need to see a bunch of side-by-sides to differentiate.)

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      I'm going to have to eat alot of popcorn to see these reach 30 inches. just kidding will be fun seeing the karashigoi grow. after seeing a 32 inch karashigoi I only hope to have one day.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kevin32 View Post
      I'm going to have to eat alot of popcorn to see these reach 30 inches. just kidding will be fun seeing the karashigoi grow. after seeing a 32 inch karashigoi I only hope to have one day.
      They definitely might not get there!

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      Quote Originally Posted by audioenvy View Post
      They definitely might not get there!
      If you put them in big water and feed them with a shovel, they might make that and more .

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      One month later and they are getting bigger, especially the doitsu. Hard to tell because the fish is suspended at an angle in the water in this photo but it's nearly 10" long now.

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      Quote Originally Posted by audioenvy View Post
      One month later and they are getting bigger, especially the doitsu. Hard to tell because the fish is suspended at an angle in the water in this photo but it's nearly 10" long now.
      Photos are definitely distorting it a bit. With the tail up and nose down in the water, the Doitsu looks like it has a world of body/shape issues. Time will tell though on what you will get. Just keep the water good, feed them, and hope for the best.



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      Quote Originally Posted by jimfish98 View Post
      Photos are definitely distorting it a bit. With the tail up and nose down in the water, the Doitsu looks like it has a world of body/shape issues. Time will tell though on what you will get. Just keep the water good, feed them, and hope for the best.
      I found the photography to be a totally futile effort with these small fish. They would not sit still for an instant. I probably took 25 photos, not one of them decent.

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      A few drops of clove oil will calm them easily
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      Quote Originally Posted by audioenvy View Post
      One month later and they are getting bigger, especially the doitsu. Hard to tell because the fish is suspended at an angle in the water in this photo but it's nearly 10" long now.

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      That’s pretty good growth. I got 4 from them too. 2 of mine is also about 10” now and the other 2 is smaller. I’m expecting these to be around 15” by March.

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      Quote Originally Posted by OCkoiFan View Post
      A few drops of clove oil will calm them easily
      Nice. I'm assuming they will settle down as they get older. I'll re-bowl them in the spring before I put them in the main pond.

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      Any updates on these karashigoi?

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      Quote Originally Posted by johnbolling View Post
      Any updates on these karashigoi?
      I pulled the bigger of the two the other day. It has grown A LOT. The other one is two inches shorter but much smaller. Photos below.
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      These are decent but I think I need to take a class from Russ Peters on how to photograph fish. From this morning. 14" and 12" long, respectively.

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      The doitsu had a head start however I'd place my bet on the wagoi as finishing bigger.
      Both look great
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      Quote Originally Posted by rainblood View Post
      The doitsu had a head start however I'd place my bet on the wagoi as finishing bigger.
      Both look great
      Ohh, nice prediction!! My photos and video (below) can't convey how muscly the doitsu looks in person. It's also amazingly tall for its size. To keep its shoulder underwater I have to add as much water to the viewing bowl as a "normal" 20-inch fish. I have no idea how these fish are going to turn out (don't know gender) but they are super fun and friendly (er, I mean hungry). They are still in my 550-gallon garage setup and whenever they hear the garage door they are halfway out of the water scrambling for pellets. Honestly, they are the only part of this hobby my family can tolerate and it's because they are so fun to feed.


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      Could you post a pic of your garage set up? Im beginning to consider one as well.

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      Quote Originally Posted by johnbolling View Post
      Could you post a pic of your garage set up? Im beginning to consider one as well.
      I've modified it slightly since taking this video and I've added a bead filter but this will give you the basic idea:


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      Hi there
      The doitsu karashigoi is the better one imo...
      doitsu
      + good body proportion, strong backbone, better yellow tone
      - the fin are not same color, head not long enough for a tosai

      scales
      + good body, since the color kinda pale the white fin not so contrast
      - short pointy head, weaker half end of the body

      surprisingly its rather hard to find a very good kawarimono
      i've keep so many tosai karashigoi in the past and not once they get me satisfied
      note for karashi from konishi these day...
      they cost much more expensive than marudos or maruseis for tosai with same quality, they grow faster (3-4 inch a month), but they get higher deformed percentage (open gill flap, bent backbone) but they surely grow bigger than others :P

      these are the last karashi that i kept (sold them last month), they are cheap marudos tosai (got them @5 inch grow them 2,5 months)



      - the bigger ones has imbalance belly line
      - the smaller ones has short head (head growth cant keep with the body growth)

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