• Amused
  • Angry
  • Annoyed
  • Awesome
  • Bemused
  • Cocky
  • Cool
  • Crazy
  • Crying
  • Depressed
  • Down
  • Drunk
  • Embarrased
  • Enraged
  • Friendly
  • Geeky
  • Godly
  • Happy
  • Hateful
  • Hungry
  • Innocent
  • Meh
  • Piratey
  • Poorly
  • Sad
  • Secret
  • Shy
  • Sneaky
  • Tired
  • Results 1 to 20 of 20

    Thread: 3 new tosai from Purdin Koi farm

    1. #1
      Huysy's Avatar
      Huysy is online now Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2017
      Location
      Baton Rouge, LA
      Posts
      242

      3 new tosai from Purdin Koi farm

      Just got these 3 tosai from the Purdin Koi Fall Harvest today. Let me know how I did.
      Attached Images Attached Images     

    2. #2
      OCkoiFan's Avatar
      OCkoiFan is online now Senior Member
      is on a tosai winter mission
       
      Feeling:
      Secret
       
      Join Date
      Apr 2014
      Location
      Orange County, CA
      Posts
      1,931
      Not bad for made in USA
      M.Nguyen


    3. #3
      montwila's Avatar
      montwila is offline Senior Member ~ Koi Health Care Committee Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2009
      Location
      Auburn, WA.
      Posts
      2,166
      Much nicer than the growout fish from Purdin a few years ago.

    4. #4
      Huysy's Avatar
      Huysy is online now Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2017
      Location
      Baton Rouge, LA
      Posts
      242
      Thanks for the comments. Any thoughts on the body, skin, or pattern?

    5. #5
      OCkoiFan's Avatar
      OCkoiFan is online now Senior Member
      is on a tosai winter mission
       
      Feeling:
      Secret
       
      Join Date
      Apr 2014
      Location
      Orange County, CA
      Posts
      1,931
      Good learning koi I would Go all in fo the goshiki
      I like th Goshiki best and like to see more future of it.
      Couple years ago appliances guy did a grow out on a bunch of goshiki from Purdin and they could have been improved a lot on this variety
      Kohaku and sanke both have avg pattern, skin are kinda nice but beni for some reason can not convince me yet
      Sanke looks male and does not have good body to growth big
      M.Nguyen


    6. #6
      Orlando is online now Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jun 2017
      Location
      Orlando
      Posts
      135
      I really enjoy koi with unique patterns it remaminds me when you skip a stone on the water the first skip is usually the largest and as it runs out of energy the skips get shorter and closer I agree with the others good improvement from a few years back on their Goshiki.
      Last edited by Orlando; 2 Weeks Ago at 08:07 PM.

    7. #7
      Huysy's Avatar
      Huysy is online now Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2017
      Location
      Baton Rouge, LA
      Posts
      242
      Thank you for the critique. You think the sanke is male because it is long and slender? And what in particular about the frame makes you think it will not grow big?

      Also, can you elaborate on your thoughts about the beni quality of the kohaku and sanke?

    8. #8
      OCkoiFan's Avatar
      OCkoiFan is online now Senior Member
      is on a tosai winter mission
       
      Feeling:
      Secret
       
      Join Date
      Apr 2014
      Location
      Orange County, CA
      Posts
      1,931
      Sanke
      Tosai Beni is more vibrant tend to be male which finish early and out sooner. Otherwise could be the effect from color food
      The first ray of the pec fins is also an indicator

      Kohaku beni is softer which is more prefer, the only concern is is see some lighter areas in the beni near the back end. Either weak area or a scale or two were losses and try to fill back.

      Anyway for these type of grow out fish 1 out of 3 is usually the outcome . that’s also my story
      M.Nguyen


    9. #9
      Huysy's Avatar
      Huysy is online now Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2017
      Location
      Baton Rouge, LA
      Posts
      242
      Thanks for the explanation. I'll report back later and see if you're right

    10. #10
      Spartan is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jun 2009
      Location
      Western NY
      Posts
      565
      Much nicer than the growout fish from Purdin a few years ago.

      Agreed. That grow out was fairly disastrous. I ending up keeping my last tosai from then since its beni looked very promising (despite the failure of everyone else's). Its beni has remained thick, but quite a few shimis have developed. And that koi hasn't passed 18" in a pond where one has reached 34" and many other younger fish have outgrown it rapidly. I still wouldn't touch anything purdin. Caveat emptor!

    11. #11
      koiman1950's Avatar
      koiman1950 is offline Senior Member ~ Koi Health Care Committee Member
      is semi retired
       
      Feeling:
      Tired
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2008
      Location
      San Jose, Ca
      Posts
      19,442
      Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
      Much nicer than the growout fish from Purdin a few years ago.

      Agreed. That grow out was fairly disastrous. I ending up keeping my last tosai from then since its beni looked very promising (despite the failure of everyone else's). Its beni has remained thick, but quite a few shimis have developed. And that koi hasn't passed 18" in a pond where one has reached 34" and many other younger fish have outgrown it rapidly. I still wouldn't touch anything purdin. Caveat emptor!
      As this is in the "serious critique" forum your statement says a LOT and I'll leave it at that.
      Mike

      check out our website at: http://www.pond-life.net



      "Our goal is to assist with emergency and Koi health issues, as well as educate on best practices. Please help us gain a clear picture by giving the original poster time to answer our questions before offering opinions and suggested treatments."

    12. #12
      Doman71's Avatar
      Doman71 is offline Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Sep 2017
      Location
      Eastvale, CA
      Posts
      51
      Sounds like Purdin koi of the past were not well received, but today we're talking about 3 current offerings. Since I'm still learning, I'm watching for any and all critiques(besides they're nice, not bad, previous ones are no good). The only critique I got out of this so far is from OCkoifan, on beni, pectoral fin, and scale. LOL

      Being new, my critique probably aren't worth much(if anything ), and may even detract from real facts. So all I can contribute is an opinion from a learning hobbyist. Being domestic and probably not from premium bloodlines, yet these 3 looks rather nice and bright. Beni probably enhanced with color food. Pattern is relative to one's taste. Not quite able to observe skin quality yet, but I don't think I see sheen on them. Quality of beni(already think is enhanced), sumi? not sure. haha.

      Picture is worth a thousand words, so looking forward to future development pictures.

    13. #13
      Huysy's Avatar
      Huysy is online now Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2017
      Location
      Baton Rouge, LA
      Posts
      242
      Sorry to hear you did not have a good experience with their fish. I got a chance to see their nisai koi from their last harvest, and some of them looked amazing to me...and they were fairly large. I am excited to grow out these tosai, and see how they turn out.

      Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
      Much nicer than the growout fish from Purdin a few years ago.

      Agreed. That grow out was fairly disastrous. I ending up keeping my last tosai from then since its beni looked very promising (despite the failure of everyone else's). Its beni has remained thick, but quite a few shimis have developed. And that koi hasn't passed 18" in a pond where one has reached 34" and many other younger fish have outgrown it rapidly. I still wouldn't touch anything purdin. Caveat emptor!

    14. #14
      Huysy's Avatar
      Huysy is online now Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2017
      Location
      Baton Rouge, LA
      Posts
      242
      Breeder aside, I would really like to know your thoughts about these particular fish. I have much to learn


      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
      As this is in the "serious critique" forum your statement says a LOT and I'll leave it at that.

    15. #15
      Huysy's Avatar
      Huysy is online now Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2017
      Location
      Baton Rouge, LA
      Posts
      242
      I can't explain it, but I took these pictures when the sun was just starting to go down. They appear a little more red than they really are in person?

    16. #16
      kevin32's Avatar
      kevin32 is online now Senior Member
      is chillin
       
      Feeling:
      Awesome
       
      Join Date
      Aug 2014
      Location
      brentwood ca. up north
      Posts
      4,357
      trust me I hate when my fish get slammed. serious crititique is pretty high end. also it is hard to call some fish mutts but there seems no in between i guess

    17. #17
      koiman1950's Avatar
      koiman1950 is offline Senior Member ~ Koi Health Care Committee Member
      is semi retired
       
      Feeling:
      Tired
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2008
      Location
      San Jose, Ca
      Posts
      19,442
      Quote Originally Posted by Huysy View Post
      Breeder aside, I would really like to know your thoughts about these particular fish. I have much to learn
      #1-Sanke - The fish has rather poor body conformation and is quite thin. The colors are currently thick however appear somewhat brittle rather than soft/flexible. As it is a male (long thin body and the front ray of the pecs is much thicker than the rest of the fin and they are quite pointed). Males tend to finish early and this one is/has been doing just that. It's not quite finished yet, but when 2-3 yrs old it will start to break apart. I also don't think it has much growth potential.

      #2- kohaku - Again, color looks bright/thick but it still lacks body conformation/frame to put on good size with proper body volume flow. The beni appears to be a bit brittle as well and will most likely break apart within 2 years.

      #3- Goshiki - This is mostly an "old school" type with the sumi within the beni plates causing a look of a mix between a Goromo and a Goshiki. The newer style with solid red beni plates has become the standard to judge against. This style, while still garnered by some, and can still look quite good, is just past tense. It appears to be the best of the three, but to be honest, and this forum asks that we judge fish to the standards for "show" competition requirements, none are high quality but you can still learn from them. More learning for what not to buy later on as you see many more fish in person and your eye/understanding become more acute. Although a certain individual who used to post here kinda tried to push this breeder's fish, for whatever reason, I was never impressed with their body conformation, skin quality and sustainability.
      Mike

      check out our website at: http://www.pond-life.net



      "Our goal is to assist with emergency and Koi health issues, as well as educate on best practices. Please help us gain a clear picture by giving the original poster time to answer our questions before offering opinions and suggested treatments."

    18. #18
      Doman71's Avatar
      Doman71 is offline Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Sep 2017
      Location
      Eastvale, CA
      Posts
      51

    19. #19
      Huysy's Avatar
      Huysy is online now Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Feb 2017
      Location
      Baton Rouge, LA
      Posts
      242
      Thank you for the detailed critique.

    20. #20
      Spartan is offline Senior Member
      This user has no status.
       
      Feeling:
      ----
       
      Join Date
      Jun 2009
      Location
      Western NY
      Posts
      565
      I was never impressed with their body conformation, skin quality and sustainability.

      Glad to see we agree.

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •