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    Thread: Confession - I have a gravel/rock bottom on my pond....

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      Confession - I have a gravel/rock bottom on my pond....

      I was a newbie when my builder installed an AS pond for me this summer. I've since discovered koiphen and now how bad that decision was on my part and how it'll likely come back to haunt me. I'm studying a lot of this forum's information in order to be better prepared for possible changes next spring.

      In the meantime, I've a question about the gravel/rock bottom and water quality, which I need to ask after reading all the horror stories and seeing the pictures of green rocks and black sludge bottoms, and people's descriptions of terrible smelling ponds. If I'm keeping the bottom surface clean (or as much as I can visibly see), keep my skimmer and bio-balls fully operational, and my water parameters are good, is there something in particular I should keep my eye out for? I mean if ammonia, nitrites and nitrates are all at 0 ppm, is there anything else I should be monitoring?

      I suppose one item unrelated to water quality could be if my pond has parasites. I've also got a UV lamp built into my pump system, so will that effectively keep the bad critters at bay?

      Anything else?

      Thanks community.

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      Are the rocks big enough that you can use a pond vac (Oase has a great one) as part of your weekly maintenance?

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      If you're asking if I can vacuum the gravel, yes I can.

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      UV don't help with parasites.

      The AS ponds look natural and if I didn't know better 30 plus years ago, I might have gotten one. My first pond was liner. I had to buy rocks for the sides.

      Best advice for this time of the year, do weekly water changes 10% with a chloramine binder and if you have trees and leaves, net your pond so they dont' get in.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MartyDopps View Post
      If you're asking if I can vacuum the gravel, yes I can.
      Well, I guess I'm asking if you are willing to remove the gravel. If not, is it big enough that you can still vacuum the muck without displacing the rocks.

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      Ah, thanks for the clarification!

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      Marty welcome to koi keeping. A picture would help. If things are OK in your pond now I would say feed less as winter approaches and you will probably be OK until Spring, which is when problems often appear.

      An AS pond is like entry level. It is OK if you stay within its limitations which are few fish and frequent maintenance. We all start somewhere (60 gallon black plastic and 2 PetSmart koi) and depending upon how bad you got the bug go on to build bigger or quit altogether.

      Always good to see new blood, there are koi clubs and shows in your area, WK&WGS.

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      Took most of the rock and gravel out of my pond last summer. Check out this thread. I have so much to say here it is really not possible to post all of it. If you like, PM me and we could talk over the phone.

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      I have rock in one of mine . I just excepted that it would take a lot more work to maintain it. Once a year I remove the fish and pressure wash it.
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      I loved my pond that had the rocks in it.
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      Most all of us have pond "sins".
      My opinions in ER and on this forum are mine only. Use my advice at your own discretion.

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      Ours has large rocks lining the sides as well. We took the gravel off of the bottom. It was messy but good to do. We also remove all of the fish in the spring and pressure wash all that we can. I know now that it shouldn't have been done that way. Live and learn. As Madeyna says... you just accept that it would take a lot more work to maintain it. It works for us.

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      I've placed rocks temporarily,(long story), at the bottom of my pond this summer. I thought is was cool until one of my fish lost a scale. I can't help but conclude that she may have flashed on one of the rocks and injured herself. Suffice to say rocks were sooner removed.

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      Marty does your pond have a bottom drain?

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      i have a rock bottom. No problems here, just stay on top of things

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      rocks are good above the water. I'm exhausted talking about rocks in the bottom of ponds anymore

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      Here's a picture of the pond, about three weeks after the build. Total volume is maybe 900 gallons. Name:  koipond.JPG
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      It does not have a bottom drain.

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      I realize this next question should probably go to another thread on filtration systems, but you can see my AS skimmer on the upper right of the picture. The biggest ongoing issue I have with this (outside of raccoons) is that smaller fish like to hang out in front of the skimmer, and invariably I'm pulling one out and returning to the pond, almost daily. The builder suggested I take the skimmer gate off so the fish could return. A local KP member said that's not a good idea. So I'm wondering if anyone else has a skimmer, experiences this issue, and if there are any logical solutions? I'm inclined to create a "pre skimmer" filter with some mesh netting and a flexiglass frame, just below the water surface. That way the Japanese Lace Leaf Maple leaves will still get into the box, and "Einstein" won't. Thoughts, anyone? Thanks very much.

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      In the long run you will create more maintenance as you will have to clean the screen every other day or more in the spring. 900 gallons is OK for gold fish and you will always have the problem with them getting into the filters. They will breed and the tiny ones will end up everywhere. You may want to try some fancy goldfish instead of Koi.
      Need more Koi

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      That is a beautiful little pond. But if you are determined to keep koi, sooner or later you will want to build a pond more suited for koi. Like I said, that pond is truly beautiful. I would re-purpose it as a water feature or use it for turtles or big ol tamasaba or ryukin gold fish.

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