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      New 3 tosai for 2017 grow out

      Any comments will be appreciate.
      Here is a video today
      https://youtu.be/dpFsqdsi5Vs

      Got em from Andrew contest about one month ago
      Tancho and kohaku 14cm
      Shiro utsuri 17cm

      They all gained weight and bulked up (thanks Seaside for the foods)
      Hoping to transfer the best one to main pond in 6-8 weeks for the cut.
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      nice but why did you pick the square head tancho. the placement is not good to me?

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      Quote Originally Posted by kevin32 View Post
      nice but why did you pick the square head tancho. the placement is not good to me?
      For the price it is pretty good deal... I just think it is the best out of 10 tancho in the Sakai tank
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      Quote Originally Posted by OCkoiFan View Post
      For the price it is pretty good deal... I just think it is the best out of 10 tancho in the Sakai tank
      i see but dude you can better than that. i feel you need to reach out to Russ or likewise. just my .02 and im learning along the way as you are. the kohaku seems best but still shirogi and sheen are nothing impressive.

      I'm not knocking the fish but just nothing has a wow factor ....

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      seems sakai and of course others have different grades . sakai seems to sell it sometimes. I have 38 tosai from Sakai and pretty happy overall bit nothing that stands apart. now my 4 tosai from koda are my best tosai and looking awesome

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      as I've been told over and over. buy the fish and not the dealer or breeder.

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      That's very cool. I'm happy for you Kevin
      I'm staying low for fun now...there are bigger project to come ehehe
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      Quote Originally Posted by OCkoiFan View Post
      That's very cool. I'm happy for you Kevin
      I'm staying low for fun now...there are bigger project to come ehehe
      I will stay tuned

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      Pretty nice picks. All 3 have got good skin and body height.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kevin32 View Post
      nice but why did you pick the square head tancho. the placement is not good to me?
      I probably would not pick the tancho either. Not because of the tancho shape/placement but because of the body.

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      Quote Originally Posted by abuchi123 View Post
      I probably would not pick the tancho either. Not because of the tancho shape/placement but because of the body.
      i think the tancho get too much food from the kohaku. Body got short and chubby from the feast. I'm trying to feed em differently to see if I can change that
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      Good body on the shiro- what i have been told, and from what ive noticed, its held true is : Look at the motogoro of a good shiro utsuri and it will tell you a lot about the state of the sumi on the body. If the motogoro is a small part of the fin or close to the body, the sumi is still coming up and will cover more of the body in the future. If the motogoro takes up most of the fin and still needs to "tighten" then the sumi on the body is on its way down meaning it may lose some body sumi.

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      Black and white is just like gamble
      So I went and took 2 more shiro and a yami
      Pattern is not ideal and either balance but I like to see them developing
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      Quote Originally Posted by kevin32 View Post
      nice but why did you pick the square head tancho. the placement is not good to me?
      Like OC, I am learning, when selecting cheap tosai, to select for conformation, skin, and quality of color, before Pattern.

      The breeder kept the perfect round Tanchos with good conformation, skin, and quality beni for grow out or to sell at much higher price.


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      Quote Originally Posted by ricshaw View Post
      Like OC, I am learning, when selecting cheap tosai, to select for conformation, skin, and quality of color, before Pattern.

      The breeder kept the perfect round Tanchos with good conformation, skin, and quality beni for grow out or to sell at much higher price.
      true. I did get three close to perfect tancho but I did pay quite a bit lol

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      While a Tancho is selected for the depth of red color on the head and the placement of the pattern piece, there are three acceptable shapes and this is one. It's just that a really round one is quite hard to find with good placement between the eyes and no color onto the shoulder without "winter work" being done on many.

      Some should just read posts and not comment/critique as they really don't have the ability to see what's really there, especially based on a picture of a fish. If you constantly try to find perfection, you will never be satisfied with any of your fish. This is an artistic hobby, and as such, there are static, stoic and abstract designs that will satisfy most everyone. If it just isn't your "cup of tea" then say that. Don't post that you don't see the quality that could actually be an oversight by you, the poster, based on lack of time in the hobby or just being uneducated for rating high quality fish. That's more insulting to the OP and it isn't founded in fact!
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      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
      While a Tancho is selected for the depth of red color on the head and the placement of the pattern piece, there are three acceptable shapes and this is one. It's just that a really round one is quite hard to find with good placement between the eyes and no color onto the shoulder without "winter work" being done on many.

      Some should just read posts and not comment/critique as they really don't have the ability to see what's really there, especially based on a picture of a fish. If you constantly try to find perfection, you will never be satisfied with any of your fish. This is an artistic hobby, and as such, there are static, stoic and abstract designs that will satisfy most everyone. If it just isn't your "cup of tea" then say that. Don't post that you don't see the quality that could actually be an oversight by you, the poster, based on lack of time in the hobby or just being uneducated for rating high quality fish. That's more insulting to the OP and it isn't founded in fact!
      i understand mike and i was not trying to be insulating. .mitch is pretty laid back and has made comments on my fish which i gladly accepted...

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      There's also quite a bit of distance between you two, knowledge-wise as he's had a few years of growing out fish to learn/understand what's what!

      Also, when you state that your fish are from Sakai, it would be most helpful to others to describe further that it is Sakai Fish Farm or Toshio Sakai/INC Koi Farm. They are two very different/distinct breeders/bloodlines even if they've used fish as oyagoi from one another over the years.
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      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
      There's also quite a bit of distance between you two, knowledge-wise as he's had a few years of growing out fish to learn/understand what's what!

      Also, when you state that your fish are from Sakai, it would be most helpful to others to describe further that it is Sakai Fish Farm or Toshio Sakai/INC Koi Farm. They are two very different/distinct breeders/bloodlines even if they've used fish as oyagoi from one another over the years.
      sakai were from Japan not Washington. although a friend has got very nice kohaku from hand selecting I'm Seattle

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      No, the breeder is NOT in Seattle. That is a dealer known as Pan Intercorp. They specialize in fish from Saki Fish Farm in Hiroshima Japan. Russ is the US distributor for Isawa Nishikigoi Center in Isawa Japan from the Toshio/Toshiyuki Sakai. Your last post is a prime example of what I was referring to.
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