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    Thread: Selecting Asagi or Shusui

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      These tosai asagi are from suda parents. At only 2-3" a little different what most normall pic from. I've always be advised to buy the pale ones.
      Last edited by Ryan S.; 02-02-2008 at 10:28 PM.

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      Too small

      Many things change the first two years on Asagi as far as Hi, Matsuba, Tsuya,and Head clarity. The nice thing about Asagis is they are not Gosanke. They do not go up as fast as Gosanke in price from one to two years. If using for show and you have a non patterned koi like Asagi, you must have an edge like body and impossing volume. Females only please after two years and with a 16" two year old you can also get a better idea on sex at the same time you get an idea on what else is happening. I like red in the dorsal. Any one else agree or no red in dorsal?

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      Here is a picture of my Asagi. she is now 25". i bought her 3-03 at 5" at our club auction.

      she was very light blue then. still had the orange almost where it is today. clear head.

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      here is one i got last month. 11" a bit darker at this age. hmmm...


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      Nice

      The larger one has a few spots on the head but high quality.
      See I like that dorsal color. Sets it off.Body is wonderfull and the HI is good.
      Was she kept in Hard water or high ph?
      The small one has alot of potential. Good Hi at this age and even matusuba. See I don't think that matsuba is too strong at this age and has good outline.

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      thank you for your critique. i think the spots on the large one are in the reflection. not on the fish.


      my water here in los Angeles is hard water. TDS out of the tap is near 500.

      pH in my pond is running 7.6 or so.

      i have a water softener and recently have been adding some of the water softener water to the pond when i do water changes. todays TDS reading was 365.

      a related question to the darkening of Asagi is the use of clay. i added clay at Peter W's recommeded dose of 250 gm/1000 gallons. within a short time it seemed like some of my fish got shimi's that never had them before.

      should i be adding clay to water that is already so hard? maybe i should start another thread about this.

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      here is another photo of a couple months ago. there may be a spot or two. i think it is pitting more that color change. i'll have to have a closer look at her when i get home tomight.
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      Right

      Your right, the head look fine. She would do well in her class.
      I am not much on clay. JR might know the chemistry here. I know by what I see not the Chemistry. The use of clay used to be revolving around clearing colors up and better white. If the water was not right it did not make a difference or make better. If the water is good it did not seem to make any better. The color seemed to be related to DOC's more than the clay for me. My theory was that the clay absorbed organics and acted like a binder but there most be some chemical thing to, since people recommend it in food. Used to use it but I found that high orp worked better than clay. If used in amounts they recommend it was rather expensive for 20,000 gal ponds as often as it was recommended.

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      Art,
      I'm not a big fan of red in the dorsal. I like to have an unbroken expanse of indigo from shoulder to tail. I think it gives the impression of a more imposing fish. A red dorsal might act like a red neck tie on a dark suit...some like it, some don't. The best thing is that we have different preferences, but still appreciate the koi's beauty!

      I couldn't get a pic tonight of the one that I posted yesterday. Somehow they know the camera and get shy on me... I did manage to get a photo of my other asagi. I believe it is bred by Hoshikin and is 18".

      Carlskoi,
      I really like that 11" asagi you posted (the kohaku was pretty nice too ) It has a strong presence to it.

      Ray,
      Very nice! Definitely getting a good start with that koi !

      ~Raymond.

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      Thank you sooooooooo much for the information here. This is our first purchase since our loss to KHV two years ago. We are just now confident and recovered enough from the losses. Asagi was my first love and always will be! From Ogata 16".
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      I like red in the dorsal, pecs, and tail fins as long as balanced. I don't like the red to shift up on top of the head or body but rather act as an accent to the base body color. The best asagi's IMO are the ones that evoke the image of a sunrise or sunset.

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      The VERY best asagi have red in the dorsal and it usually appears as a series of dots in the one, two and three year old fish's dorsal rays. This phenotypic indicator will tell you that the fish is not one where the red will 'go wild' as it ages and creep above the lateral line onto the back. It also indicated that the koi is less likely to get red blotches on the blue body. Check it out some time- its almost fool proof.

      And of course, add to the above- the best asagi is the one with the best fukurin.
      JR

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      I look at the blue, not the red. Some bloodlines add red over time, some lose - and if the seller knows the bloodline, he can tell you.
      But you are looking for a PERFECT net of scales and reticulation.
      That's harder to find than the red.
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      Very nice KQueen. I think she has some good years ahead of her !!

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      hello everyone.
      i started a thread in the main forum regarding shusui selection. please give me advise!

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