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    What's This?

    It's a butterfly koi from Petsmart. I don't expect much from it. Some Q's:
    1.Is it a M or F?
    2.Can Butterfly Koi and koi breed?
    3. Can koi and goldfish breed?
    4. What variety? Probably a mutt, just asking cuz I don't really know
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    It's a butterfly/long fin Kujaku. Yes, as long fin are a mixed breed based on original genetics, they still breed with standard koi. I really have never seen a koi/goldfish cross although others claim they have had a mixed spawn. Yes, it's a mutt and I don't recommend you buy any more from the large pet chain stores. They most always come with a lot of health issues.
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    That is a very small koi and the pic isn't the best for much evaluation.

    1)way too young and small to guess. It can take getting a koi to 12-16" to begin to have any certainty. Sometimes even longer.
    2) yes
    3) yes but they are mules
    4) I'm guessing Heisei Nishikigoi but the pics aren't clear enough to be sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn View Post
    That is a very small koi and the pic isn't the best for much evaluation.

    1)way too young and small to guess. It can take getting a koi to 12-16" to begin to have any certainty. Sometimes even longer.
    2) yes
    3) yes but they are mules
    4) I'm guessing Heisei Nishikigoi but the pics aren't clear enough to be sure
    Shinnie says you are right, Heisei Nishiki is correct.

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    Please say hello and thank him again for me please.
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    This beauty was spawned in my pond many years ago. I was told it was a goldfish/koi cross.



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    Here's a pic I lightened so you can see the body shape better.
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    Looks like a longfin to me. I like the color and long fins. Can't see the barbels but assume it has them.

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    I think someone "assumed" that a koi with long flowing fins would have some goldfish genes, but this to me, looks like a long fin Kin Kabuto, but of quite dark quality for the variety. None the less, a pretty and stealth looking fish!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdh View Post
    Looks like a longfin to me. I like the color and long fins. Can't see the barbels but assume it has them.
    koi/goldfish crosses mostly have only the front barbels pair and lack the second rear pair
    at least most of my mixed fish have only the front barbel pair
    the fish tend to be mush shorter but tall and wide body with a goldfish shaped rear taper
    my oldest cross is as fat a head+body as a 3ft koi but only 1 ft long

    I have read that not all crosses are mules
    as some will produce depending of their sex and the parents sex/type
    but only a few about 1/4 of the fish are not mules

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