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    Thread: Matt's Showa Spawn 2016

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      Very nice! I've got a favorite already..

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      Yep .. I like the top left .... Great job on the growth Matt



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      Moved these 8-month-olds (7"-9") to the big pond yesterday. The two that look like utsuri each have a tiny bit of orange, mostly in the gill area. The showa in the last photo needs underlying sumi to come up.

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      Usually, the little ones hide when they first see the herd of giants. But these were not afraid and swam around all the big ones. It is probably because I had added a couple of 18" koi into their little pond about a month ago, and they were used to seeing larger koi, just not as big and not as many. [Last month, I had to rescue those two when the filter on their tub froze up.]

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      Nice job Matt! Is that exceptional skin or are they ginrin? Just gleaming!

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      Thanks for the comments y'all.

      Kevin: The more space you can give them the better, preferably thousands of gallons, not hundreds. These had the benefit of being in a small spawn in which few eggs hatched, so less competition for food. Also, for several weeks when they were very young, I fed them a high protein diet with lots of seafood, more or less following Wombat's advice. (See the notes above for details.) Also, they've been in an 1800 gallon pond until now, just moved to 12,000.

      As an example of how the big water (and lots of food) can help: Most of the showa and utsuri from my 2015 spawn were about 5" in April 2016, and I moved them to the 12,000 gallon pond with my adult koi. Now 10 months later, they are all in the 14"-16" range and most are rather robustly built.

      Jojoartie: One of the showa and one of the utsuri are ginrin. The other two are not accept that the utsuri may have 3 or 4 ginrin scales. One of the two adult males used in the spawn is ginrin.

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      Here is an update on these four I am watching. These in-pond photos were taken in late June at right about a year old. The sumi has weakened on them considerably in the last 3 months. I am noticing a pattern with the last couple of showa/utsuri spawns where the sumi looks dark and full in the late winter to early spring (one year old), then recedes quite a bit in the summer and on into early winter, then strengthens again in the early months of the next year (two years old). [There are a couple of exceptions from the 2015 group, which never lost sumi.] So hopefully, these four will get their black on next spring and maybe it will stick. They seem to be growing well in the big pond.

      This one might turn out to be the best of this group IF the sumi returns in full force.
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      Not crazy about this one, but I am interested to see how and if the underlying sumi will or won't develop.
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      I like the pattern here. This one might be okay if the sumi strengthens.
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      Sumi pattern does not look quite as good to me, but I'll keep watching.
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      Your one year olds look great Matt . really like the first one .



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      They look huge!



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      Hi Matt,

      Looking good mate, I like the Showa with underlying Sumi

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      Quote Originally Posted by delbert View Post
      Your one year olds look great Matt . really like the first one .
      Thanks Delbert. That one always catches my eye as they swim around with the thick sumi and ginrin, and I like the stout shape of it at this point.

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      They look huge!
      Well that 25x zoom lens on the old camera helps them look a lot bigger! But they are growing better than I realized Max. I caught and measured one of them to be 12" (30 cm). Watching it swim beside the others, I'd say they range 11" - 14" at just under 13 months old, up from 7" - 9" five months ago. They love the 12,000 gallons of running room. These last few months I've just been feeding them the same pellets the adults get, no seafood blend.

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      Looking good mate, I like the Showa with underlying Sumi
      Thanks Steve. That one is breaking out to be the biggest. Hopefully it can bring out some sumi to go with the size.
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      "they range 11" - 14" at just under 13 months old, up from 7" - 9" five months ago."


      At this rate 2' on their next b'day?



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      Hey Matt,

      Hows all your 2016 & 2017 Showa's looking these days mate.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve Sibly View Post
      Hey Matt,

      Hows all your 2016 & 2017 Showa's looking these days mate.
      Hi Steve. Roping in 2015 for the three season showa experiment, I would say "okay for a back-yard" effort, but nothing great. Maybe if we get a couple of warm days in a row, they will come up near the surface where I can get some decent photos.

      I still have three from the very small spawn of 2016, with that ginrin showa still looking like the best.

      2015 was my first showa spawn, and perhaps the best of the three. I've re-homed several that weren't bad and still have about ten of what I would call "good pond koi" from that group, but no "stars". Most of the "shiro utsuri" have developed at least some little orange specks. I will probably re-home most these koi in a few months and keep 3 or 4.

      The 2017 spawn was full of deformities of head and face, pretty much a total loss. I still have one little utsuri with a crooked mouth that may be a long-term resident my quarantine.

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      Just three left from the 2016 showa spawn that had such a low hatch rate. This 17” showa will likely be re-homed, but I thought I'd post the photos “for the record”. Sorry for the glare on my little pond.
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      This shiro utsuri, probably male, is about 14”-15”. He has tiny bits of orange, most noticable on the left gill plate, but I don't mind.

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      Last but not least is the ginrin showa, also about 14”-15”, may be male but I'm not sure. The weak orange next to the tail has emerged from the white since last summer. Hopefully it will strengthen.

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      Hi Matt,

      Nice looking bunch mate, i can see why you like the GR Showa, Shame about the deformities from last year spawn, i guess thats the down side to the hobby you got to wait another year before doing again,
      Thanks for sharing.

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      I like the GR showa too. Good job!

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      Thanks guys. Maybe that one can get some good growth this year.

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      ... Shame about the deformities from last year spawn, i guess thats the down side to the hobby you got to wait another year before doing again ....
      You're right Steve. Spawns can be messed up by deformities, illness, bad weather, tobi eating them, predators, et cetera, and if you get past all of that, you might still just have a bunch of healthy baby koi that don't look very good. A really good looking koi is a very rare thing, especially uncommon in a back yard spawn. Still, I do get enough of ones that I like and enjoy the challenge / process enough to keep me trying a new spawn each year.

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      Hi Matt,

      It is a challenge as you said mate. As long as there's a few that can be used later on or kept for looking at i agree, Not being able to keep the numbers with limited room always makes it a challenge.
      My biggest issues seems to be pump failures which kills big numbers of my spawn, For instance last years Asagi x Goshiki i have 3 left from the whole spawn. Frustrating to say the least.

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