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    Very nice! I've got a favorite already..

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    Yep .. I like the top left .... Great job on the growth Matt



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    Moved these 8-month-olds (7"-9") to the big pond yesterday. The two that look like utsuri each have a tiny bit of orange, mostly in the gill area. The showa in the last photo needs underlying sumi to come up.

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    Usually, the little ones hide when they first see the herd of giants. But these were not afraid and swam around all the big ones. It is probably because I had added a couple of 18" koi into their little pond about a month ago, and they were used to seeing larger koi, just not as big and not as many. [Last month, I had to rescue those two when the filter on their tub froze up.]

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    Nice job Matt! Is that exceptional skin or are they ginrin? Just gleaming!

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    Thanks for the comments y'all.

    Kevin: The more space you can give them the better, preferably thousands of gallons, not hundreds. These had the benefit of being in a small spawn in which few eggs hatched, so less competition for food. Also, for several weeks when they were very young, I fed them a high protein diet with lots of seafood, more or less following Wombat's advice. (See the notes above for details.) Also, they've been in an 1800 gallon pond until now, just moved to 12,000.

    As an example of how the big water (and lots of food) can help: Most of the showa and utsuri from my 2015 spawn were about 5" in April 2016, and I moved them to the 12,000 gallon pond with my adult koi. Now 10 months later, they are all in the 14"-16" range and most are rather robustly built.

    Jojoartie: One of the showa and one of the utsuri are ginrin. The other two are not accept that the utsuri may have 3 or 4 ginrin scales. One of the two adult males used in the spawn is ginrin.

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    Here is an update on these four I am watching. These in-pond photos were taken in late June at right about a year old. The sumi has weakened on them considerably in the last 3 months. I am noticing a pattern with the last couple of showa/utsuri spawns where the sumi looks dark and full in the late winter to early spring (one year old), then recedes quite a bit in the summer and on into early winter, then strengthens again in the early months of the next year (two years old). [There are a couple of exceptions from the 2015 group, which never lost sumi.] So hopefully, these four will get their black on next spring and maybe it will stick. They seem to be growing well in the big pond.

    This one might turn out to be the best of this group IF the sumi returns in full force.
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    Not crazy about this one, but I am interested to see how and if the underlying sumi will or won't develop.
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    I like the pattern here. This one might be okay if the sumi strengthens.
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    Sumi pattern does not look quite as good to me, but I'll keep watching.
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    Your one year olds look great Matt . really like the first one .



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    They look huge!



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    Hi Matt,

    Looking good mate, I like the Showa with underlying Sumi

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    Quote Originally Posted by delbert View Post
    Your one year olds look great Matt . really like the first one .
    Thanks Delbert. That one always catches my eye as they swim around with the thick sumi and ginrin, and I like the stout shape of it at this point.

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    They look huge!
    Well that 25x zoom lens on the old camera helps them look a lot bigger! But they are growing better than I realized Max. I caught and measured one of them to be 12" (30 cm). Watching it swim beside the others, I'd say they range 11" - 14" at just under 13 months old, up from 7" - 9" five months ago. They love the 12,000 gallons of running room. These last few months I've just been feeding them the same pellets the adults get, no seafood blend.

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    Looking good mate, I like the Showa with underlying Sumi
    Thanks Steve. That one is breaking out to be the biggest. Hopefully it can bring out some sumi to go with the size.
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    "they range 11" - 14" at just under 13 months old, up from 7" - 9" five months ago."


    At this rate 2' on their next b'day?



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