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Though I believe that the 0.7% salt will take care of a lot, if there is nothing to take care of, I would not subject the fish to it. Salt is an irritant, causing increased slime coat, to protect the fish skin, and will cause increased slime on gills making respiration more difficult. There are better methods. Getting the salt up to that level, takes a lot of salt and getting it back out of the system takes a lot of water changes, and you would not want to leave that level in for extended periods of time, unless you had a fish in quarantine that you were treating for dropsy.
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Richard
I had a bacterial issue two years ago, lost a first one, no other signs,prior, no flashing, rubbing, jumping. First one, flipped over, we couldn't save it. Second one was noticed only because we were standing at the pond, he swam in slowly odd movements, like disoriented, drunken... I pulled, we put him in an aerated quarantine pool, and I rushed first thing in the morning to get meds. He made it, but they told me that it was bacterial issue on the gills....
Forget the .7% salt. Even at that level, most current parasites are immune to this level as it's been so widely used over the last 20 years. And as Rich pointed out, it's a PITA to get rid of and with our water shortage, not recommended. Unless you really know for sure what the issue is, I wouldn't recommend you simply start throwing a bunch of chemicals in there, especially with that fish load in such a small environment. I'd up the oxygen levels and see if that improves things.
BTW, you mention you did a salt "bath". At what level salt (lbs/gal)? .7% in a "bath" is not near high enough!
Mike
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I just lost another koi tonight, same like the one died ten days ago. I really dont kbow what could be wrong, there is absolute no flashng or any sign of stress, one just became lethargic and died..
I have a beads filter before 2-55gallon wet and dry barrels. Its been over 6 months I have not clean that, but the beads I backwash weekly.
I took the barrels out and just run the beads now. Took everthings out, there was mud, gunks, and earthworms (don't know where they from) Could this be the problem because I did not clean these media too regularly? My media consist of bioball, japanese matts, lava rocks.
Sorry to hear this. What did the gills look like?
Andrea
Koi Health Care Committee Member
Thanks Andrea- i can't really tell much but look similar like the other.
This morning I witness a flash, currently just run through the beads, the water is not too clear. I dipped my entire media in water with bleach and will have it sit for few days and will re rinse them good before go into service again.
But I think I will treat my pond with some type of bug treatment depend on what my dealer will suggest, maybe termix aqua , or aqua prazi.
It sounds like your barrel filters were quite dirty and creating some anaerobic conditions. This coupled with the HUGE stocking density you currently have, your system simply can't keep up with the load demand. Now, you've removed those filters and further reduced the system's efficiency quotient further exacerbating the situation. I would NOT use lava rock for any reason in a submerged filter environment. I guess you found that out already though. But, before you do ANYTHING with regards to chemical treatments of any kind, do/have someone else help do a scrape and scope to find out what parasites you may have. With the water this warm, and your current overstocked conditions, you could do much more harm than good simply "guessing" and just throwing this/that product at it.
Mike
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Okay I'm too busy with my brother's pond built so I kinda glance at my indoor tank for last couple weeks.
Last friday I spotted another showa tosai acted lazy.. (just one out of the group again)...I did a treatment of terminate rx for three days and 25% wc as reccommend each dose. One week since there not much improvement, the fish still swim slowly and kinda isolate, I don't see it eat at all, maybe just nip some algea on the wall. This is one case xof mystery I ever face in ponding..slowly my fish fell ill after one then another, this is the third since may 30th or so. I might have to take this guy to my dealer for scope if time permit this sunday.