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    Thread: Question regarding Bacteria House "Knock-Off" Media

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      Quote Originally Posted by kimini View Post
      I read the OP's post and thought, "this thread's going nowhere."

      The OP asked vague and subjective questions about a mystery product which has little to no data. How on earth is anything going to give hard facts? The water could care less what the surface is - as long as there's enough surface area and it doesn't plug up, the pond will be fine.
      1. The only media that has a proven track record of performance and longevity for handling massive amount of water is Momotaro's.

      2. Cermedia will melt away under high flow.

      3. Seaside media is a "cheaper" alternative. It has work well for me and many others. "Cheaper" is all relative. I still had to give Tom some large bills for a box of it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hugomizz View Post
      Sssssh Kevin don't mention the water bill that's a bad subject
      I know. How else could we have gotten Russ to self deport without even building a beautiful wall?

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      Quote Originally Posted by kimini View Post
      I read the OP's post and thought, "this thread's going nowhere."

      The OP asked vague and subjective questions about a mystery product which has little to no data. How on earth is anything going to give hard facts? The water could care less what the surface is - as long as there's enough surface area and it doesn't plug up, the pond will be fine.
      Quote Originally Posted by Hugomizz View Post
      Sssssh Kevin don't mention the water bill that's a bad subject
      I wonder how much your water bill is

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      The cost per month is useless because it depends where someone lives, the size of the yard, and how economically the water's used. In fact, if pond waste is used to water plants which would have otherwise been watered straight from the hose or sprinklers, then the pond's impact on total water usage is zero.
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      No i wish

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      The ceramic media does seem to clog in the pores if the water is not clean coming in but then got me thinking. Feather rock has no pores to clog but yet it still builds up bacteria. Hell I've seen jap mat used, brushes. Scrunchy pads in showers and it all worked. I do like the ceramic media more than the feather rock. Do both of them work.... yes
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      Took the shower apart and got better pics. In fairness the feather rock being darker does not show the biofilm as well. Got pretty good pics today though. New phone takes better pics than my cannon lol
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      So in the end what is better these knock off or k1/ moving bed media ?

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      Quote Originally Posted by guardianx9 View Post
      So in the end what is better these knock off or k1/ moving bed media ?
      That depends on if you are talking about a moving bed or shower filter.

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      As someone who is considering some upgrades including a shower, this media ... debate is all still confusing for some of us. I'll have to look at prices for the media from Seaside and pricing for BH because I don't know the difference. I don't know that I can feel comfortable trusting "knock off" product. Even then, I have to find out who has the real stuff and not get a "knock off" if I want BH.

      Years ago (25) I remember doing a variation of one of these with lava rock and it was a total nightmare. I see the benefit to adding this to my system and just want to make a solid decision- not re-buy or give up like last time when I moved to the Ultima II alone.

      Thank you for this ongoing thread as it slogs through this topic.

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      All the media works. Feather rock and most ceramic media works and builds lots of good bacteria. I have a huge supply of feather rock here and it works well. Most my media now is the ceramic media but when I do my larger pond most the new media will be feather rock as it does stay very clean and I like using different media

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      Quote Originally Posted by kevin32 View Post
      All the media works. Feather rock and most ceramic media works and builds lots of good bacteria. I have a huge supply of feather rock here and it works well. Most my media now is the ceramic media but when I do my larger pond most the new media will be feather rock as it does stay very clean and I like using different media

      I think why it's so confusing to a new shower user/builder is that it all works and everybody's favorite is the one they're using.
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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post

      I think why it's so confusing to a new shower user/builder is that it all works and everybody's favorite is the one they're using.
      Okay..... *that* I can understand.

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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post

      I think why it's so confusing to a new shower user/builder is that it all works and everybody's favorite is the one they're using.
      Cost is a consideration for a lot of people.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ricshaw View Post
      Cost is a consideration for a lot of people.
      True... and it's why I also use feather rock.
      But I think there's something to be said for putting more thought into building the shower than which of the medias that have
      been discussed here is "best".
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      The bottom line is you now have more choices for shower filter media.

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      Quote Originally Posted by icu2 View Post

      I think why it's so confusing to a new shower user/builder is that it all works and everybody's favorite is the one they're using.
      This statement is VERY true as all media will work as a shower media as long at it gets the right amount of water flow and there is enough media to do the job. You will probably need a substantially larger volume of media if you want to spend the least amount of money on the media (IE feather rock/Lava rock), well to be honest you will need a ton of media if you want to spend the most amount of money as well (IE real Bacteria House Media). Going with both of those options means you will need a really tall shower with multiple trays stacked on top of each other to get the desired results. This also costs money in material costs (shower trays) as well as electrical costs by having to pump the water high up in the air tot he top of the shower.
      Using the porous ceramic medias you can have a professionally designed (or even copycat my design) and manufactured shower that maximizes the pores of the media with great distribution so that you can do the same amount of work as a tall shower with a shorter shower that uses less media. The shower costs more but the media and electrical costs are lower.

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      Don't forget the cost for a sieve and/or RDF filter if required.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zac Penn View Post
      ... This also costs money in material costs (shower trays) as well as electrical costs by having to pump the water high up in the air tot he top of the shower...
      This. To the OP, calculate what you're willing to spend per month for electricity. As said, often times, switching to a shower setup means pumping large amounts of water a lot higher than with other (say, moving bed) type filters. Do the math before making the switch else you may be paying for it pretty much forever... unless you want to add $2500 for a really good pump as well.

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      ...and if one chooses media that is "stackable" does one do that? I seem to see most are just cut/broken into chunks and randomly dropped into the bins for the water to drop onto. Wouldn't there be a value in stacking them efficently so more of the water passed through as much media as possible?

      I've also seen some of this extruded media vertically lined up and it seems like much of the water could just pass down vertically through the roughly 3/4 inch hole(s) in the center and hit no media.

      I don't doubt this topic has been beaten to death in other threads, but in this context I think it would matter because how you stack these could impact the containers and shower construction. Compact being a smaller stacked container.

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