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      To my untrained eye it looks pretty darn good

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      The Shoot...

      Well we had a big scare this morning with rain storms coming in around 5:00 am, I wasn't sure if my contractor was going to call it all off... well the rain cleared out and we started to pour at 7:30... Finished around 3:30 They did 46 yds of shotcrete and did a good job, we had the usual hickups but overall whet very well... I didn't build the pond with an exact blueprint and just told the finishers to follow the steel and finish three inches over... It took most of the shoot for them to get the hang of it... Scheduled for Rain the next three days so that should help with the cure, once rain is out of the forecast it's time for xypex... We had about 2 yards extra so we just filled around the outside of the forms a little... The mixed they used with Ready mix plant had very little rebound I was very suprised... overall ended up a little thicker in some areas then I had planned but I have a very solid shell... I'm going to use hydraulic cement around the skimmers and any external pipes... crew added an additional 6" bell skimmer and overflow for me during the shoot... The second to last pictures is the contractor Fred, he did a great job of managing the crew and making sure it was the way I wanted it...
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      Wow, looking good!

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      More shoot pics

      Here are some more pics... we will be mortaring large boulders in on the ledges and the the cove near the skimmer will also be a large boulder to step across and make the two ponds look as one... the small differnce in the top curb is where the flagstone patio will be...
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      The end result!

      These show how it ended up...
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      Question, is there always alot of sand and loose aggregate on the top layer of shotcrete after you shoot, when I went to wet it there was some one each ledge and flat area, I'm guessing I'm being silly but I thought I would ask those in the know...

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      Mountains of it generally. Depends on the mix the 'crete guys bring.Dont sweat it. Once you fill that bugger up to cure and get the algae started on the walls it'll slick up like a crackhead playing the part of a politician. You'l have a nice 1/4 inch carpet covering everything.
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      Now that is a funny post Blammo!!!

      This pond will be incredible!! Best of luck to you.

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      Wow ,Its bigger than my swimming pool . cool

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      Blammo, just gotta say; Dawwww! So cute!

      Nice pour, you're gonna love it! Looking forward to more build pics!
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      Well, it really depends on the finshers and how picky you are/should be. With shotcrete, no, there shouldn't be much as it's a wetter mix being shot in and therefore easier to trowel the finish. With gunite, as the mix is pumped dry through the hose and then mixed with water at the nozzle, yes, there can be more, but, again, it depends on how picky you are with the finishers. Many of these guys don't care that much as most deal with construction swimming pools and they are always covered with roughly 1/2"-3/4" of plaster over it. We INSIST on making sure the crew understands our needs/desires. The one we're currently working on, they finally got the idea of how we wanted it finished and it should save us a couple days of having to grind it down smooth enough for the Xypex concentrate to provide a decently smooth coating. I would suggest, after looking at your pics of the job they did, to do one of two things. Either hire someone to come in and put a render coat of mortar over the whole thing, or get in there with a 7" grinder and "git to werk"!!

      Also, I notice that you have a "notch" in the walls. Is there a specific reason for these? Also, your skimmer(s) looks too low. How far down from the coping do you plan the water level to be?
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      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
      Well, it really depends on the finshers and how picky you are/should be. With shotcrete, no, there shouldn't be much as it's a wetter mix being shot in and therefore easier to trowel the finish. With gunite, as the mix is pumped dry through the hose and then mixed with water at the nozzle, yes, there can be more, but, again, it depends on how picky you are with the finishers. Many of these guys don't care that much as most deal with construction swimming pools and they are always covered with roughly 1/2"-3/4" of plaster over it. We INSIST on making sure the crew understands our needs/desires. The one we're currently working on, they finally got the idea of how we wanted it finished and it should save us a couple days of having to grind it down smooth enough for the Xypex concentrate to provide a decently smooth coating. I would suggest, after looking at your pics of the job they did, to do one of two things. Either hire someone to come in and put a render coat of mortar over the whole thing, or get in there with a 7" grinder and "git to werk"!!

      Also, I notice that you have a "notch" in the walls. Is there a specific reason for these? Also, your skimmer(s) looks too low. How far down from the coping do you plan the water level to be?
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      The notch in the walls is for the flagstone patio... In hind sight I set the forms to high for the skimmers but too late to do anything about that now, I set the forms 2 inches over the top of the skimmers... the finishers asked me if I wanted it smooth and I said no because I was already planning on doing a render mortar coat with Xypex, oh well just part of the journey I guess...

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      I was referring to the 3-4" "ledge" about 3' down the walls from the top.
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      Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
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      I was referring to the 3-4" "ledge" about 3' down the walls from the top.
      Mike, It is a safety ledge in case someone that can not swim very well falls in... required by my wife to put in the depth of 8 feet, i'm hoping it is deep enough not to have predator problems, you are correct in that it is about 4' deep...

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      Whoah!!! That is going to be a great lake!!! (To big to be a pond) Can anything be done about the skimmers? or will you just have a lower water level around the coping rocks? Just curious what kind of pumps you are going to run and how much flow? Is it still necessary to have 1-1.5 turnover per hour in huge ponds? I think your wife is right about the step, especially if your not going to have your yard fenced completely in - and even then, it s gotta give you some peace of mind to have it in there.... I am definitely subscribed to this one!!! Awesome!

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      Nice build cannot wait to see future pictures, great job....

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      [QUOTE=asat;2434148]Whoah!!! That is going to be a great lake!!! (To big to be a pond) Can anything be done about the skimmers? or will you just have a lower water level around the coping rocks? Just curious what kind of pumps you are going to run and how much flow? Is it still necessary to have 1-1.5 turnover per hour in huge ponds? I think your wife is right about the step, especially if your not going to have your yard fenced completely in - and even then, it s gotta give you some peace of mind to have it in there.... I am definitely subscribed to this one!!! Awesome![/QUOTE


      Currently I have two circuits one has an ESBB 10500 which feeds the waterfall and a calypso 8500 which feeds the S/G's and then the tprs... I also put in a 6" pipe which can be used as an airlift or I've been looking at axial flow pumps... Not exactly sure which way I'm going to go but I built everything to be scalable... To answer your question on turnover I'm not really sure, I'm planning on putting water in the pond and checking the system and see what I need to tinker with...

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      mortar parge coat w/ xypex concentrate

      So here is what we've been doing since the shoot... I got the pvc pipes trimmed with the grinder and did the parge coat of mortar with xypex concentrate and charcoal dye... The dye is really hard to find in the powder form, my distributor rarely stocks is and I ran out on Sunday and was forced to get the liquid... Going back to the the distributor tomorrow and getting powder for the final xypex coat. The parge coat went well except a little slower and more material than I expected, we used 60 bags of mortar and it took a day and half at about 1500 sq ft... Sunday there were five of us and only two today... It really smoothed out well, and I'm excited about getting the xypex coat on...

      There was a few bumps in the road however, on Saturday we were prepping the pond for the parge coat grinding and chiseling off bumps and high spots , I found three places that were very soft like sand so I hit them with the air chisel and they just fell apart... I ended up with three sofball or tennis ball sized holes... I'm assuming this was from trimmings or rebound that was finished into the shell... two of the holes were very deep, we filled them with hydraulic cement and then mortar over that so hopefully no more issues... What caused me to check these areas was that the rest of the pond was dry and these areas were wet looking. Any other areas I checked with the air chisel and they were hard, you can instantly tell the difference the chisel bounces off the hard concrete and where it is soft it digs right in quickly...
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      Man! That is nice! How many gallons estimated? I read the thread but can't remember if you said. Your koi will be sooooo happy!
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