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    Thread: Buying Big

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      Buying Big

      How often are larger (30+) koi available for sale?
      Let's just say I'm impatient to grow one out for the 5++ years that would take... And I might be willing to pay for immediate gratification.

      Before you read on - if you're the argumentative type - I'm not interested in debating the merits of developing a koi on from a a tosai or nisai, etc. I've got plenty of those and I'm all for that too. So let's not go there.

      My guess is that the larger ones that are held by breeders are typically kept because they either have serious show potential or are future oyagoi so the price would be astronomically higher. But I dont want to assume anything, and while the former may be true, there's a market for everything. I'm not at all trying to buy the next GC but rather a good quality but very large koi. Occasionally I've seen kodama offer in the 26 inch range but often these are deformed etc (which is out of the question) and their quality is often below what I'd want.
      I'm going to reach out to a couple dealers, but just wondering if anyone else had gone down this road.

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      I would think your chances would be better with a private individual who is selling their fish because they're making room for others or closing down their pond as opposed to buying from a breeder or dealer. The costs for a good quality koi would be prohibitive if you consider the cost of growing one out to be that large in the number of years it takes. Russ may have an idea as to which if any breeders do sell koi that large though.

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      I would think the market is small for Koi that are 30+" mostly because they are harder to ship, difficult to handle, harder to bag, expensive and generally if they are a decent looking Koi they would have been bought before they reached that size. I know that one of the Koi shops I go to sometimes has really large Koi for sale, but the price is super high and there just aren't that many people willing to buy a fish that costs more than a luxury car. I know if I were a dealer I would want to unload my Koi while they are smaller rather than risk being stuck with super big Koi that may not sell.

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      a private individual who is selling their fish

      Agree, but can't risk biosecurity.

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      It all depends on how much you are willing to spend. You can get a 3-4-year old in the 27" range and rather quickly grow it out. Some types will very likely grow large and others will be lucky to reach 29" Working with a dealer like Russell would be a good bet. If an individual is selling a large koi it likely has not met their expectations.

      Do you want quality and size or just size?

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      "harder to ship, difficult to handle, harder to bag, expensive and generally if they are a decent looking Koi they would have been bought before they reached that size"

      Sound logic, but you don't know until you ask...


      "Do you want quality and size or just size? "

      In this case size is the requisite, but decent quality. No point in going through the effort and expense for a muji.

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      I think the market is tough for 30"+ because the good ones are usually sold. I think a breeder knows where his stock is going by 3-5 years and typically sells most before 30"...it's too expensive to 'keep on' good 30" fish around when there are so many more 17"-24" potentially great ones available. Keeping on fish for more than 4 or 5 years is too expensive and laborous unless it's their #1 tategoi.

      Assuming that you want a 30" fish that is 'simply good' yet not going downhill in pattern and quality, I think your best bet is developing a relationship with a dealer who can get you a fish who's pattern, conformation and quality is solid.

      But I agree, easier to get a 27" fish and grow it a bit.
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      I havent seen much for sale in that range but maybe a little less. Russell is definitely the person to contact for this.
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      There are plenty of youtube videos of harvests in japan where they are pulling that size koi. they often don't make reference to the price, but i recall one that did. I believe the figure was $20k-$25k in that particular video. If you have that kind of money and want one, more power too you. If you are already planning on that type of budget, you may want to find a dealer to bring you to Japan to pick. Im sure someone could contact the breeders and see what time is best to snag one.

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      The problem with getting a 30 inch koi is that your getting one close to peaking and don't have as much time to enjoy their progress. One that is 30 inches and is not close to peaking is usually a serious show fish and is being groomed for major shows.
      However, almost every koi is for sale, if you can afford the asking price, $$,$$$. And that first number isn't 1,2, or maybe even 3. There are several dealers that can handle your request. There are several people who post on this board who have bought some very expensive fish and still have them in japan. You don't have to read much to figure out who they are, sadly I am not one of them.

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      If you want them, they are there. Go with a dealer. If you are paying this kind of money, go to pick it out.

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      Of course there are other farms that have high quality large koi.
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      Here is another farm with large high quality koi

      http://youtu.be/dcIem1YflpA
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      If you hook up with a dealer and tell them what your looking for they will get it. It may take some time and it will cost $$$$$$$.
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      I saw on www.regankoi.com a 30"+ chagoi and ginrin ki utsuri for sale. You should check out their website.

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      I know Lincoln Koi in California has some this big, If I remember correctly they were around 600 dlrs. He is just now in the process of going online with sales.

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      Depends on what type of koi like chagoi kigoi karashigoi buy a quality one around 24 inches and with good keeping 2 years you will be over 30 inches
      Marasuei?? Spelling koi grow like weeds and good quality 22-24 inch $2k range

      This was the reason kodoma had bent 30 inch koi for sale people just want size and don't want to put the work in

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      I figure you don't want to spend this much money on bigger fish but there is some serious quality with this guy...he has a 113cm Chag that is P.O.D....which means Price on Demand...lol...go figger...he has several really nice Gosanke over 75cm on his site... navigate through the koi section in the header...the page pulls up to the page with the Chag on it which is fish for show in Europe but I am sure you could find something..... http://www.dannyskoicafe.com/koi-san...en&r=JQLQDRKOO Billy
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      I rehome 30" + koi that are not perfect or show quality from time to time for way under what they are worth in the open market often a small fraction of what I paid when they were younger. All koi are very healthy but they have a shortcoming or two that I cannot live with (body volume , secondary hi, a weak place in their beni etc ). If you want excellent large koi, be ready to pay the price but if you are ok with imperfection finding a reasonably priced koi is possible from another hobbyist especially one that is active in shows. Show koi are difficult to get and they have an expiration date or they can easily be out of contention for a small fault. You have to be patient and be willing to compromise.

      Not all koi get to 30" + and when they get there most have something that didn't turn out. Even in Japan for a large koi you will pay good money just for the size of the koi without having everything the way you want them or should be . Of course there are many koi of that size that have everything going for them still but they are priced at an extreme premium.

      Some of the koi I rehome / rehomed.



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      Ok, so there is a niche for this!
      Thx for the replies. I have a budget in mind but not going over the top at least until I make it over to Japan. Hopefully the number I have in mind can meet my expectations. I'm really aiming to get a large, good quality koi... not a GC. Looks like there's some exciting possibilities.
      BTW I'll try to catch up with the pms today, but I'm not inclined to buy from private individuals.

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      "I'm not inclined to buy from private individuals."

      I might have to retract that after seeing John's video...

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