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    Thread: Corner brackets for wood framed ponds

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      Corner brackets for wood framed ponds

      Has anyone ever used these brackets to support corners in wood framed pond construction?

      If so how do they do?

      And if not what are some alternatives to insure corner integrity?

      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...twmeanalifa-20
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      [QUOTE=Redman8102;2390832]Has anyone ever used these brackets to support corners in wood framed pond construction?

      If so how do they do?

      And if not what are some alternatives to insure corner integrity?


      I can only speak for myself, but I built my wooden framed pond using 4 x 4 pressure treated lumber (treated for ground contact) as the frame.

      I used galvanized lag bolts with galvanized washers (about 1" diameter) for connecting the frame together. The ones I used were about 5" or 6" long with about a 1/2" head for joining two frames together (from above) and about 3" long for connecting the frames together from the sides. I used shorter bolts to go in from the sides so that I could get closer to the edge with the longer bolts connecting two sections together.

      I drilled a pilot hole into the wood where I wanted to place the lag bolt and then used a spade bit to drill a hole about 1 1/2" deep using a bit wide enough to fit the lag bolt with washer inside with a little space around it.

      I then assembled each layer by attaching them from the side, the frames were made with the shorter 4 x 4's on the inside of the longer 4 x 4's.

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      With the next level on top I then again created countersunk holes and connected them from above for stability, making sure not to drill the holes so the bolts would hit the bolts installed from the sides.

      I used lag bolts something like every 18" along the sides to connect the levels together, staggering them between levels.

      The long lag bolts were similar to this, I think I got mine at Lowes http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded...8800/203151853

      The cost of the lag bolts & washers for the whole frame was somewhere around $200 if I recall correctly.

      It's been a year since the build and there is not one sign of the frame bowing in the slightest, it is 2' above ground with 4' below ground.

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      Quote Originally Posted by SteveE View Post
      I can only speak for myself, but I built my wooden framed pond using 4 x 4 pressure treated lumber (treated for ground contact) as the frame.

      I used galvanized lag bolts with galvanized washers (about 1" diameter) for connecting the frame together. The ones I used were about 5" or 6" long with about a 1/2" head for joining two frames together (from above) and about 3" long for connecting the frames together from the sides. I used shorter bolts to go in from the sides so that I could get closer to the edge with the longer bolts connecting two sections together.

      I drilled a pilot hole into the wood where I wanted to place the lag bolt and then used a spade bit to drill a hole about 1 1/2" deep using a bit wide enough to fit the lag bolt with washer inside with a little space around it.

      I then assembled each layer by attaching them from the side, the frames were made with the shorter 4 x 4's on the inside of the longer 4 x 4's.

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      With the next level on top I then again created countersunk holes and connected them from above for stability, making sure not to drill the holes so the bolts would hit the bolts installed from the sides.

      I used lag bolts something like every 18" along the sides to connect the levels together, staggering them between levels.

      The long lag bolts were similar to this, I think I got mine at Lowes http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded...8800/203151853

      The cost of the lag bolts & washers for the whole frame was somewhere around $200 if I recall correctly.

      It's been a year since the build and there is not one sign of the frame bowing in the slightest, it is 2' above ground with 4' below ground.
      Did you construct a 6' tall box or is the below grade portion dirt and the 2' above ground portion just wood frame?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Redman8102 View Post
      Did you construct a 6' tall box or is the below grade portion dirt and the 2' above ground portion just wood frame?
      Only the above ground portion has a frame.

      The pond uses a liner & our soil is clay and very stable.

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      Quote Originally Posted by SteveE View Post
      Only the above ground portion has a frame.

      The pond uses a liner & our soil is clay and very stable.
      You wouldn't happen to have a build thread or pics from your build would you?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Redman8102 View Post
      You wouldn't happen to have a build thread or pics from your build would you?

      Here is a the thread with my build, it has quite a few pictures in it

      https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showth...=helix+skimmer

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      Quote Originally Posted by Snake View Post
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      I used long nails from Lowe's to rebuild my goldfish pond.
      How are they holding up?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Redman8102 View Post
      Has anyone ever used these brackets to support corners in wood framed pond construction?

      If so how do they do?

      And if not what are some alternatives to insure corner integrity?

      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...twmeanalifa-20



      We used stainless steel L brackets to support the above ground wooden tanks constructed in our retail showroom. Depending on your tank dimensions, you may wish to add additional supports in the center of each wall as well to prevent the walls from bowling out under the water weight. This is especially true if your intend to make the walls over 4' above ground. Hope this helps...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Redman8102 View Post
      How are they holding up?
      It's been two years and so far so good. When I first started a pond in 1998 it was built with landscaping timber and nailed with long gal. nails. I rebuilt it in 2009 and it was because the wood rotted. The goldfish pond was part of the first pond and it last until 2012 when the left front corner came apart (rot). As for the nailsthey did fine.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Snake View Post
      It's been two years and so far so good. When I first started a pond in 1998 it was built with landscaping timber and nailed with long gal. nails. I rebuilt it in 2009 and it was because the wood rotted. The goldfish pond was part of the first pond and it last until 2012 when the left front corner came apart (rot). As for the nailsthey did fine.
      Good to know... Thanks!

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      Quote Originally Posted by calponds.com View Post

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      We used stainless steel L brackets to support the above ground wooden tanks constructed in our retail showroom. Depending on your tank dimensions, you may wish to add additional supports in the center of each wall as well to prevent the walls from bowling out under the water weight. This is especially true if your intend to make the walls over 4' above ground. Hope this helps...
      How did you tie everything together, nails, screws or lag bolts?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Redman8102 View Post
      How did you tie everything together, nails, screws or lag bolts?
      I think you should also need to factor in the size of your pond when weighing up your options. The bigger the frame / above ground portion is, the more pressure the frame will be under.

      I was advised to use lag bolts by the company I bought most of the equipment from.

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