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      This is inside so nothing is getting into the water from outside. It's straight from the faucet inside. Hmmm...don't actually know about copper but Prime also removes heavy metals supposedly. Puzzling..

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      Quote Originally Posted by ademink View Post
      This is inside so nothing is getting into the water from outside. It's straight from the faucet inside.
      No, I meant the water that goes through your suppliers system. Like here, after a long & hot dry spell, when we get that first torrential rain, we get a rush of very average water out of the tap. All the stuff that has built up in the underground pipes eventually gets flushed through the system and, although the water is quite good, you can still notice the difference in the quality - and the amount of chlorine the Water Corp adds.

      Anyway, it doesn't really matter because it sounds as though you have things under control - and yes, the Prime will take care of the heavy metals including copper.

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      Since you have aeration, why not hook up a large sponge filter?

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      Sorry for the delay, Bunyip! Koiphen is sketchy on email delivery so I often have no clue someone has replied> SIGH. lol

      I'm tracking now. It's highly likely it's just crap to begin with. I have been doing small water changes and it looks much better, although it smells really fishy...which is odd to me. I see random things floating here and there...when I pull them out of the water they are small gelatinous blobs. Don't know if we have some post-torpor weird dookie going on or what..???

      Aquajoe, don't know anything about sponge filters...? Will have to google!

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      Quote Originally Posted by ademink View Post
      Sorry for the delay, Bunyip! Koiphen is sketchy on email delivery so I often have no clue someone has replied> SIGH. lol

      I'm tracking now. It's highly likely it's just crap to begin with. I have been doing small water changes and it looks much better, although it smells really fishy...which is odd to me. I see random things floating here and there...when I pull them out of the water they are small gelatinous blobs. Don't know if we have some post-torpor weird dookie going on or what..???

      Aquajoe, don't know anything about sponge filters...? Will have to google!
      If you're feeding, this could be feces that indicates the fish are having a problem digesting the food and it is causing diahrrea! Stop feeding for a few days and see if it clears up.

      The "fishy" smell is usually caused by either ammonia or nitrates. What are your current readings for both?
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      I haven't been feeding at all. Had some yellow poop floaters and I think I had some skin sloughing. I got off the phone w/ "Koivalley" a couple of hours ago b/c my 15 lb (and growing) Maine Coon mix knocked the screen off the top and one of the koi was a jumper. UGH. He was nearly dead but still breathing so I plopped him back in the water. He laid on the bottom for a while but when I just went down, he is slowly swimming again!

      He told me the same thing, Mike...stanky water = change the water more. I did an aggressive WC and the smell is gone...the koi are responding well to it. Nitrites/ammonia were zero (I have no filter)...nitrites were in the mid-range (can't remember number off the top of my head). Back down to a better range now and will be much more thorough on the WCs!

      Will test water again later tonight and post actual #s for nitrates.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ademink View Post
      . Nitrites/ammonia were zero (I have no filter)...nitrites were in the mid-range (can't remember number off the top of my head). Back down to a better range now and will be much more thorough on the WCs!

      Will test water again later tonight and post actual #s for nitrates.
      This is really confusing me

      As far as I know, this QT tank was filled with tap water about a week ago.
      There is no filter/bio-filter.

      How is Andrea getting anything other than Ammonia readings?

      People wait weeks and weeks to get a nitrite reading in a pond set-up with bio-filters.... So how has Andrea managed to get nitrite and nitrate readings, in such a short time, without any bio-filtration?

      It would be great if someone from the Health Care Committee could explain this.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ademink View Post
      . Nitrites/ammonia were zero (I have no filter)...nitrites were in the mid-range (can't remember number off the top of my head). Back down to a better range now and will be much more thorough on the WCs!

      Will test water again later tonight and post actual #s for nitrates.
      Quote Originally Posted by Bunyip View Post
      This is really confusing me

      As far as I know, this QT tank was filled with tap water about a week ago.
      There is no filter/bio-filter.

      How is Andrea getting anything other than Ammonia readings?

      People wait weeks and weeks to get a nitrite reading in a pond set-up with bio-filters.... So how has Andrea managed to get nitrite and nitrate readings, in such a short time, without any bio-filtration?

      It would be great if someone from the Health Care Committee could explain this.

      Thanks!
      Well, I wondered the same thing when I saw that post. I do think that she typed nitrite instead of Nitrate for one of the values. But, in either case, I don't have a clue how you'd get either reading positive with no filter conversion going on!? Curioser and curioser!Hmm
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      Typo. NO nitrites. I meant to type nitrAtes.

      I was getting a nitrate reading and this tank smelled like funk. I also had foamy DOCs.

      Not possible? Is my kit bad?

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      Quote Originally Posted by ademink View Post
      Typo. NO nitrites. I meant to type nitrAtes.

      I was getting a nitrate reading and this tank smelled like funk. I also had foamy DOCs.

      Not possible? Is my kit bad?
      How can you have nitrAtes?? No bio-filtration = no nitrItes, therefore no nitrAtes.

      Maybe ALL your tests are bad - time for a shopping trip to get new ones? lol
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      Dunno. I know I don't have ammonia b/c it's a new in-water disc that checks for free ammonia.

      Guess I'll go get a new kit. *shrug* Well anyway, it smelled like fish and now it doesn't. LOL

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      Andrea, I really think you need to get new test kits for Ammonia, nitrIte, nitrAte and probably pH

      The 'free ammonia' test discs are good, but they only tell part of the story - IMO you need a proper Total Ammonia Test.

      I would also suggest that if you really are getting nitrIte and nitrAte readings in your Qt Tank, then you need to test your Tap Water... something is not right with your results.

      Are you sure you are doing the Tests properly and reading the results correctly??
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      Once again, I am not getting nitrItes...that was a typo. I only showed nitrAtes.

      My pH is tested by an electronic meter so it's good. I don't use the drops.

      I will go see if they even sell a total ammonia kit at the LPS.

      Edit: Yes, I definitely know how to do and read the tests. I've been doing that for 8 years and it's something I actually DO know how to do.

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      But you can't have nitrAtes, Bro!
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      LOL I KNOW I KNOW I GET IT...

      The kit must be bad. I don't know what it's issue is!!! hahahahaha

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      You might try out what the reading is on your tap water to see how it compares.

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      New kit - expires 2018.

      Ok...nitrites - 0
      Ammonia -0 (still using the disc..they didnt have a total ammonia kit)
      pH - 8.6 (normally runs 8.3-8.6 in pond)
      Nitrates - TAP WATER & TANK WATER - 30-35ppm (not as dark as 40ppm but clearly darker than 20ppm)
      Gh 150
      Kh 180

      Edited to change numbers.
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      Sounds like we've found your nitrAtes source if your tap water is reading 30-35ppm. That isn't good. I think US regulations limit our drinking water at 10ppm.
      Are you on a well?

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      Nope - city water. That's creepy. I wonder what can be done or what I should do?

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      I would take a water sample to your water supplier and have them test it.
      Creepy indeed!

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