Still Haven't been able to properly bowl and measure any of the Koi. But today the water was good and clear and the sun wasn't casting to bad of a glare to take pics directly from the pond. I have also noticed over the last couple of weeks that WWKC Kohaku #5 is Kuchiben. It has a really nice and solid red colored lip that goes from hinge of the mouth to hinge of the mouth. That's been an added bonus to this fellow. I'm really starting to think it's a male.