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    Question Koi names?

    Hello, I am trying to learn all I can on here about koi fish. I'm wondering what all these Japanese names are referring to, Such as: Gin Rin Hi Utsuri, Asagi, Chagoi, ect. ect.

    Are these breeds, color patterns? How many are there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Reed_ View Post
    Hello, I am trying to learn all I can on here about koi fish. I'm wondering what all these Japanese names are referring to, Such as: Gin Rin Hi Utsuri, Asagi, Chagoi, ect. ect.

    Are these breeds, color patterns? How many are there?

    Thanks
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    This page, http://www.koivillage.com/koiid/pg2.htm has a lot of the varieties, their names, and the pronunciations. All are not so common, common carp, having been bread for the color and pattern, skin quality, and conformation. This will give you some idea of what the possibilities are. Of course if you are thinking of breeding, a good pair of similar koi, may on a good spawn give you a lot of the different varieties, and mostly just junk. It is the artist eye that keeps and grows the best and culls the rest. Some varieties like the chagoi, are close to the original common carp and you will get a fairly high quantity of fair to good fry, while others like the highly developed sanke or showa will yield very low quantities of desirable fry.
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    Thank you for the info!

    Does Nishikigoi = Koi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Reed_ View Post
    Thank you for the info!

    Does Nishikigoi = Koi?
    Well, if you ask a Japanese person in Japan where to buy KOI they won't know what you're talking about. But if you ask them about Nishikigoi, they probably will. Nishiki - brocade and goi -carp. KOI is a word WE here in the Western world use as a lazy, slang-type description. But, basically, yes, they are one in the same.

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    This is by far the best link I've seen to identify any Koi. It has 230 different Koi names and pictures. Enjoy!!

    http://www.thekoikeepers.com/variety...page_0001.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metro Koi View Post
    This is by far the best link I've seen to identify any Koi. It has 230 different Koi names and pictures. Enjoy!!

    http://www.thekoikeepers.com/variety...page_0001.html
    It's not bad, but there are quite a few errors with the descriptions/varietal names! Overall. a decent BASIC reference as long you reverse the way the names read. E.g., it wouldn't usually be called a "sanke tancho gin rin". It would be stated: GinRin Tancho Sanke or more "properly" Gin Rin Tancho Taisho Sanshoku! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by koiman1950 View Post
    It's not bad, but there are quite a few errors with the descriptions/varietal names! Overall. a decent BASIC reference as long you reverse the way the names read. E.g., it wouldn't usually be called a "sanke tancho gin rin". It would be stated: GinRin Tancho Sanke or more "properly" Gin Rin Tancho Taisho Sanshoku! lol
    I agree the names are out of order. So if this link is "Not Bad" or "A Decent Basic Reference", do you have a better link? If so, please share. I'd love to see it.

    The traditional genealogy that RP posted doesn't go far enough into depth. You don't see the entire spectrum of Koi as in "Kujaku, Kikokuryu, Ochiba, etc".

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    http://www.koi.com/reference/encyclopedia/

    This one isn't bad.
    I see Mike's issue with the one posted above. They list koi varieties like Tancho Asagi. It really would be an Asagi (with a Tancho or rather Maruten marking). Some of their examples are in the ballpark but it kind of confuses things a bit. Their "Ochiba Tancho" is really just an Ochiba. To be a true Tancho the coloration would not be on the fins or anywhere but the marking on the head.
    I'm not even sure what a Sanke Goshiki Tancho is.
    The one I linked above might be more general but it's more accurate.

    You might be interested in one of these?
    http://www.inlandkoi.com/akkoiidpo.html
    http://www.aquaticeco.com/subcategor...Identification

    Southernstarr linked the library and this in particular might be of interest:

    http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showth...32-Terminology
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    Then of course, if you really want to get nerdy, you can look up the English translations of the terms; like Ochiba Shigure means "Autumn leave on water" Soragoi, sora is "grey cloudy sky", Kujaku is a peacock, Gin is gold, Rin is sliver, Asagi is a particular type of printed pattern on cotton cloth, made in a certain region of japan, Aka, Beni and Hi are three ways to say Red, Matsuba is a pine tree, Ki is yellow as in Kigoi, Karasu is a crow as in Karasugoi, Budo is grapes as in Budo Goromo, etc.

    I could go on but this is where your friends start to roll their eyes when you bring up Nishikigoi,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn View Post
    http://www.koi.com/reference/encyclopedia/

    This one isn't bad.
    I see Mike's issue with the one posted above. They list koi varieties like Tancho Asagi. It really would be an Asagi (with a Tancho or rather Maruten marking). Some of their examples are in the ballpark but it kind of confuses things a bit. Their "Ochiba Tancho" is really just an Ochiba. To be a true Tancho the coloration would not be on the fins or anywhere but the marking on the head.
    I'm not even sure what a Sanke Goshiki Tancho is.
    The one I linked above might be more general but it's more accurate.

    You might be interested in one of these?
    http://www.inlandkoi.com/akkoiidpo.html
    http://www.aquaticeco.com/subcategor...Identification

    Southernstarr linked the library and this in particular might be of interest:

    http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showth...32-Terminology
    Great links. I liked the posters from InlandKoi and aquatice. I think I will buy them.

    Maybe the creators of the link I posted spoke Spanish. In that language, they say "Dog Large" where we say "Large Dog". Just a thought. Thanks for the links.

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    It could be, it's one of the problems with the internet. There is a lot of misinformation out there and weeding through inaccuracies to find accurate info is daunting at times.
    Often you will see made up names from those newer to breeding koi. They don't know how to classify it so they think of something clever to list it as so it sells.
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    Russ I think they made a wrong Goshiki Picture in here.. it does looks like Sanke?

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