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      Lightbulb the MINI phoam Phraxionatie

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      Here's what I got. I think that many people have struggled with the schedule 40 six inch PVC and fittings. It is heavy, expensive, but definitely perfect for the original unit. With the 6" stuff, you can easily flow 1500-1700 gph through it, gravity feeding back to the pond with a 2" exit.

      Here's what I want to suggest. I haven't tried it yet, but here's how it would be done. The original phoam phraxionator works by bubbles being formed through the crashing down through bio balls. Then, they "settle" out in the bottom chamber, trying to rise up as far as possible. If enough "dwell time" is maintained in that bottom chamber, the bubbles will reach up and out of the exit port which is the top of the "tee".



      Here are the plans for doing a 4" unit. It is between $150-$175 to build a 6" PVC unit that will flow that 1500-1700 gph. I suppose that with 4" PVC, and a total gallonage of 3 gallons for the base of the unit (TEE, 18" run of 4" PVC and part of the 90 elbow), you could get around 8-12 seconds of "dwell time" in that bottom chamber for the bubbles to rise up and out.

      Here's what I have so far, all items purchased at lowes:

      $9.32 10 foot section of schedule 40, 4" PVC (for tower and base)
      $3.47 green gutter trap (4") to keep bio balls in position above elbow
      $9.57 4" schedule 40 long sweep elbow
      $11.57 4"x4"x4" schedule 40 TEE fitting
      $5.50 2" cheap schedule 40 ball valve
      $4.52 2" PVC to go back to pond
      $6.50 Fernco fitting to join bottom to top
      $8.00 (2) 4" to 2" reducers
      $50.00 approximate cost for the bioballs to fill the thing

      $108.45


      this SHOULD flow 800-900 gph pretty easily. I wouldnt flow more just becuase you want to assure dwell time in the unit.
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      A couple things.

      (1) I would encourage strongly to use 1" bio balls instead of 1.25 or 1.5 inch ones. With the narrowness of the 4" pipe compared to the 6" pipe, I fear that the 1.5" ones would fill up the pipe too quickly and you want the pipe packed well with bio balls. There's plenty of airspace between them even if they pack well. I have 1" ones at home I am going to use on my demo of this.

      Here's some for kicks.
      http://cgi.ebay.com/Bio-Balls-1-Aqua...item4398a4d498

      (2) As you can see, two of these created side by side would mean around $220 to make them both. You;d be able to flow around 1800-1900 gph through them combined, and for a 6,000 gallon pond, thats a once every 3 hour turnover....pretty dam good if you ask me.

      (3) You need to run prefiltered water through these. Not necessarily through bio, but if you are runnnig water from a skimmer or settlement chamber, you want to make sure you absolutely are not sending solids down through this.

      (4) I run flex hose to my 6" phraxionator. I have a 3,000 gph pump in my skimmer, then 1.5 "hose, then ball valve, then drilled a hole in the top of the unit and fit the pipe through there and secured it. up to you how to do that part. There are lots of ways, and I won't pretend to know all your situations.
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      That Looks Great Ethan

      Do Post Pics of each step of Phormating the Phraxionatie as previously so "Gizmo Fobes" such as I can Grasp the Concept

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      if you can find a 4x4x2 tee, you can negate the need for one of the 4x2 reducers. For me, I put an elbow in top of the tee (not gluing it) and run that to where I want the phoam to go. I would suggest not running it too far away.
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      Do you think there will be a difference in using a long sweep 90* elbow versus a regular 90* elbow?
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      I saw MINI and thought "cool"... but 10ft tall does not seem to MINI to me...

      Maybe this would be better known as the "slim trim" phraxtionatie.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
      I saw MINI and thought "cool"... but 10ft tall does not seem to MINI to me...

      Maybe this would be better known as the "slim trim" phraxtionatie.
      nah.

      6 feet tall. you buy 10 feet of the pipe, but look at the picture. it shows 6 feet of 4" schedule 40 PVC.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
      I saw MINI and thought "cool"... but 10ft tall does not seem to MINI to me...

      Maybe this would be better known as the "slim trim" phraxtionatie.
      I dont think thats the overall lenght. I think thats just a bill of materials...
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      Quote Originally Posted by hondataeg6 View Post
      Do you think there will be a difference in using a long sweep 90* elbow versus a regular 90* elbow?
      I think either will work. it may work better to use the regular 90 like I did on the original phoam phraxionator 2.0 a year ago. I just figured that you may get extra dwell time by using hte sweep.
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      I like the Phernco idea I couldn`t bear not being able to disassemble /mantle any Pond Gizmo for cleaning

      The Phernco addition solves this problem

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ethan25 View Post
      nah.

      6 feet tall. you buy 10 feet of the pipe, but look at the picture. it shows 6 feet of 4" schedule 40 PVC.
      Ahh, the words on the pic are fuzzy and I didn't have my glasses on earlier either. I didn't even try to read them earlier as they looked more like blurry spots than words.

      I'll give you MINI, but I still like "slim trim".

      I may just have to somehow work this into my new water plan... hiding it will still be a bit of an issue though. Like your wife, I'm allergic to PVC just hanging out in plain sight.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
      Ahh, the words on the pic are fuzzy and I didn't have my glasses on earlier either. I didn't even try to read them earlier as they looked more like blurry spots than words.

      I'll give you MINI, but I still like "slim trim".

      I may just have to somehow work this into my new water plan... hiding it will still be a bit of an issue though. Like your wife, I'm allergic to PVC just hanging out in plain sight.
      just hide it against a wall, throw some wire mesh or wood lattice in front of it, and get some vinage growing...
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      To be able to Gravity flow to a tpr, how high would the outlet have to be?
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      any one ?
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      Just a couple of inches above pond water level.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kent Wallace View Post
      Just a couple of inches above ond water level.
      that's all? really? this may mean the ball valve not needing to be turned as much as before, in order to give the unit a bit of back pressure to have the water level where it is supposed to be, correct?
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      Look for a mini PHOAM PHRAXIONATIE GIVEAWAY sometime soon!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ethan25 View Post
      Look for a mini PHOAM PHRAXIONATIE GIVEAWAY sometime soon!
      The wife likes it THAT much!

      Was a nice project while it lasted though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
      The wife likes it THAT much!

      Was a nice project while it lasted though.
      nah. haven't made one yet. But, like I said, keep an eye open!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ethan25 View Post
      nah. haven't made one yet. But, like I said, keep an eye open!
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