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    BirdmanofCO's New Pond and Greenhouse Project

    So I'm outside standing with one of my neighbors, (he lives about 4 miles away) and we were discussing the plans for the new greenhouse that will go over most of the back yard and existing Koi pond.
    After talking over all the difficulties with building a new filter pit and redoing all the piping he blares out, "Why don't you just build a new pond and have the greenhouse built over that". I was like, "yeah right".
    Two days later the plans were set in motion for just that.
    So here I am today starting this new thread that will cover the complete construction of the new pond and greenhouse.
    As we speak they are doing the excavation. Unlike my first pond, I will only be paying for this project, not actually working on it. It's best, trust me. I have gathered what I believe are the best people for each aspect of this project.
    So, here are the plans and layout.

    My first expert on this project was contacting Steve Joneli, from High Desert Koi.
    I asked him to design for me a dream pond. Here is what he came up with and exactly what I am going with.
    The pond will be 20K gallons.
    Dimensions will be 32' long, 12' wide and 8' deep with a slope up to 4' on one end. The deep end will be 8x8x12 flat bottom with 4 bottom drains.
    All the filtered water will enter the pond in the shallow end and flow down to the deep end. I like this concept of having the water continuously flowing to one end and then being gravity feed back to the other end, thus the reason for the longer thinner pond. How a river works sorta.
    The pond will be constructed of 8 inch solid poured walls, reinforced concrete with footers. The pond will be insulted with 2 inches of foam board. I am making sure that finished construction will still yield the same dimensions so to maintain gallons and for the custom seamless drop in liner that is being built. the pond will be raised up 16 inches above ground.I will finish the pond with natural stone pavers. Should give me a final sitting height of about 18".

    Here is the equipment list for the pit.
    There will be a total of 6 Cetus Sieves all gravity fed.
    4 Cetus's will feed off of the 4 bottom drains which will then be pumped up ( 2 Evolution 10,500 pumps) to 2 sets of 4 Bakki showers.
    They will then gravity flow back to the pond thru 4 protein skimmers.
    4 pond Skimmers will feed 2 more gravity fed Cetus Sieves and they will be pump to 2 large bead filters that will act as fines filtration, then to 2 Zapp 20's then back to pond. They will be pumped by 2 Evolution 6,400 pumps.
    My turn over rate will be a little over 30k an hour. I am really liking the fact that even though I will have air domes on the bottom drains, I will not need them. Also, no return jets or mid level pick ups around the pond. I believe this will be a very efficient filtration system with awesome oxygen levels.
    The greenhouse will be a Japanese style greenhouse with double walled polycarbonate. I am having it built rather large so I can have plenty of space for the step down filter pit, and room to put in baby koi tanks and grow large groves of tropical trees and plants. We get a lot of snow and wind here so the building had to be rated for such.
    The greenhouse has extensive climate controls. Big automated venting for summer and a massive heater for winter. I plan on keeping the temps above 60 for winter. I will be heating the water in this pond also.
    I will be posting photos of the progress here.
    I think the project will go smooth and swiftly......I hope.

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    Todd Huffman

    Btw, I will be keeping the other pond too!!!
    The new pond/greenhouse will be just down from here.
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    This will be a fun one to watch
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    yEah. That's what I am considering for our new property as well. We can compare notes......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan25 View Post
    yEah. That's what I am considering for our new property as well. We can compare notes......
    Hi,
    What will be nice is like today..... sunny out but the wind is a killer. The greenhouse will be built just down the hill from the other pond and will be mostly protected from the wind. I can't wait to enjoy nice 85 degrees and clam inside in Janurary.
    I'll go snap some photos of them doing some dirt work.
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    Sound like a really exciting project. You going to have a solid floor over the pit so you can utilize that area for plant growing.

    Just wondering what benefits you're going to see from Cetuses on the skimmer circuits, unless you pull the skimmer baskets and treat the Cetuses as skimmer baskets? Four skimmers on an indoor river flow setup seems like a lot. Are they being used as much for water intake as for skimming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpageler View Post
    Sound like a really exciting project. You going to have a solid floor over the pit so you can utilize that area for plant growing.

    Just wondering what benefits you're going to see from Cetuses on the skimmer circuits, unless you pull the skimmer baskets and treat the Cetuses as skimmer baskets? Four skimmers on an indoor river flow setup seems like a lot. Are they being used as much for water intake as for skimming?
    Hi,
    I will be seperating the pit and pond with a large decortive metal lattice.
    I need the headroom for the 2 bakki showers then need to be above the pond.
    Yes, the skimmers will have their baskets pulled and are mostly for water intake for fines filtration. These will go to Cetus, beads then to UV's. Over 10k an hour just for that.
    I already have 2 Cetus Sieves on my other pond and I just love them. They work great. I always promised myself if I ever built another pond it would be 100% gravity fed into sieves.
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    WOW!!! How big is your property?

    I am SOOOO jealous!

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    Okay here is day one. They are leveling out the spot for the building.
    They say they will be done in a few days with the dirt work.
    My foundation crew will be up and running by this Thursday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decube View Post
    WOW!!! How big is your property?

    I am SOOOO jealous!
    I have over 200 acres. Just enough space to put in another pond. This is my backyard. My lake has lots of fish in it. They are the eating kind, not the pretty looking kind.
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    big fish cage inside your lake

    Why donít you just put a big fish cage inside your lake and grow KOI in it? EasyÖ


    Quote Originally Posted by BirdmanofCO View Post
    I have over 200 acres. Just enough space to put in another pond. This is my backyard. My lake has lots of fish in it. They are the eating kind, not the pretty looking kind.

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    Man you dont screw around. I like it. Your proberty is awesome. And cant wait to see the progress.


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    This is going to be a KILLER project...keep up the good work Todd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z_zk_z View Post
    Why donít you just put a big fish cage inside your lake and grow KOI in it? EasyÖ
    omg ...don't give me any more idea's......unless my wife goes on vacation or something.
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    Nice to see the pictures of the ground breaking Todd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BirdmanofCO View Post
    omg ...don't give me any more idea's......unless my wife goes on vacation or something.
    Does she work?................

    KIDDING!

    But I agree, I would at least try a little mutt.
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    Bass and walleye are pretty... And taste good too!!!

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    I have over 200 acres. Just enough space to put in another pond. This is my backyard. My lake has lots of fish in it. They are the eating kind, not the pretty looking kind.
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    Your new pond should be awesome. Looking forward to seeing photos as this project moves forward...



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